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    Some WI legislature shenanigans (bills)

    SB102 https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/201...roposals/sb102
    "This bill prohibits anyone, except on-duty law enforcement officers and armed forces who go armed in the line of duty, from going armed with a firearm in the state capitol. A person who violates the provision is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor."

    AB 138 https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/201...roposals/ab138
    Requiring almost all sales go through an FFL.

    AB 9 https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2013/proposals/ab9
    Exempts any LEO (current or former, on duty or off) from all "gun free" zones, including schools.

    AB 119 https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/201...roposals/ab119
    We want this one - partially deregulates OC spray
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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    AB 119 https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/201...roposals/ab119
    We want this one - partially deregulates OC spray
    Irrelevant. That law is ignored and unenforced. OC is regularly displayed in stores where customers have access to it. OC is also sold in forms like "pens" and such in Wisconsin. I've never heard of any retailer getting nailed for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    SB102 https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2013/related/proposals/sb102
    "This bill prohibits anyone, except on-duty law enforcement officers and armed forces who go armed in the line of duty, from going armed with a firearm in the state capitol. A person who violates the provision is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor."
    Fred Risser - need I say more? Actually I should. The sound you hear is the chipping away at Act 35.

    By the way, the link does not go where stated. Please correct.

    AB 138 https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/201...roposals/ab138
    Requiring almost all sales go through an FFL.
    Looks like long guns will get the handgun treatment as well.

    AB 9 https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2013/proposals/ab9
    Exempts any LEO (current or former, on duty or off) from all "gun free" zones, including schools.
    Very bad idea. LEO's acting in an official capacity are not barred from any of the listed areas. Current (non-official capacity) and former LEO's should have no more authority to impinge on private property than anyone else. Something wrong here.

    AB 119 https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/201...roposals/ab119
    We want this one - partially deregulates OC spray
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    I didn't yet dig through to see where in the process each of these bills is.
    That's my next step.
    It's quite possible that some have died in committee, or even before.

    Quote Originally Posted by apjonas
    By the way, the link does not go where stated. Please correct.
    I opened the link in post #1 and #3 & they both go to the text of the bill.

    Quote Originally Posted by pkbites
    Irrelevant. That law is ignored and unenforced... I've never heard of any retailer getting nailed for it.
    So why not remove the old, bad, ignored, irrelevant law to be sure that there's no confusion.
    Clean things up.
    At least they're not creating more restrictions... if they want to use their time on this, I'm OK with it.
    You know as well as I that if the law exists, there's some LEO somewhere, looking for something to stick on someone who's really done nothing wrong, who will haul it out & write up the charge.

    I was at GM the other night with a potential student & she'd picked up a couple cans of spray, apparently from some rack because I didn't see them under glass anywhere. The clerk she was working with said he's an officer (active) and he didn't seem to be upset that the store was breaking the law.

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    where they are in the legislative process

    Here's the overall info on the bills.
    Notice the people who support each one - the anti-rights folks are predictable.

    S102 https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2013/proposals/sb102
    prohibition against carrying firearms in the capitol
    Last action was 22MAR: "Read first time and referred to Committee on Transportation, Public Safety, and Veterans and Military Affairs"
    Introduced by Senators Risser, Lehman and T. Cullen
    Cosponsored by Representatives Sargent, Pasch, Barnes, Ohnstad, Hebl, Berceau, Sinicki and Pope

    A138 https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2013/proposals/ab138
    sales and transfers of firearms
    Last action
    was 23APR, when the fiscal estimate was received
    Introduced by Representatives Richards, Berceau, Barnes, Goyke, Johnson, Bernard Schaber, Billings, Clark, Genrich, Hebl, Hesselbein, Hulsey, Kahl, Kessler, Kolste, Ohnstad, Pasch, Pope, Riemer, Ringhand, Sargent, Sinicki, C. Taylor, Wright, Young, Zamarripa and Zepnick
    Cosponsored by Senators Harris, Lehman, Risser, Carpenter, Hansen, Miller, Shilling and L. Taylor
    Something I didn't notice before - one of the punishments if convicted is that the person could be prohibited from possessing a firearm for up to 2 years.
    All of the fiscal estimates are 'indeterminate', but they only look at the cost to the government. We have to make our reps aware of the cost to citizens, and of course the fact that criminals won't do their transfers through an FFL.

    A9 https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2013/proposals/ab9
    law enforcement officers who are on duty, off-duty law enforcement officers, and former law enforcement officers and going armed with firearms
    Last action 13FEB Read first time and referred to Committee on Judiciary
    Introduced by Representatives Kleefisch, Danou, Jacque, Mursau, Stroebel, Bernier, Born, Swearingen, A. Ott, Brooks, Tranel, Nerison, Bies, Weatherston, Kaufert, Thiesfeldt, Jagler, Schraa, T. Larson, Knodl and Czaja
    Cosponsored by Senators Gudex, L. Taylor and Kedzie
    [given the lack of action on this, I'm tempted to say it's dead]


    A119 https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2013/proposals/ab119
    S109 https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2013/proposals/sb109
    regulation of oleoresin of capsicum in containers sold in this state
    Last action 02MAY public hearing (Committee on Criminal Justice)
    Sponsored by Representatives Thiesfeldt, Jacque, Kolste, T. Larson, Petryk, Bies, LeMahieu, Brooks, Bernier, Ohnstad, Schraa, Ballweg and Spiros
    Cosponsored by Senators Lasee and Gudex


    And here's one that's not directly firearms related...
    Allows a court to order the seizure of vehicles used to commit OWI.
    I think that it should be mandatory, just like any other property involved in a crime. They sure like to seize our guns, even if the only crime committed is their civil rights violation. [Who, me? Bitter?]
    A72 https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2013/proposals/ab72
    seizure and forfeiture of motor vehicles used in certain operating-while-intoxicated offenses and providing a penalty
    Introduced 14MAR, referred to Committe on Judiciary
    Introduced by Representatives J. Ott, Stone, Bies, T. Larson, Ballweg, Thiesfeldt and Tranel
    Cosponsored by Senators Darling, Leibham and Carpenter

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post

    I opened the link in post #1 and #3 & they both go to the text of the bill.


    Perhaps it works for you but I go to some Facebook page, which is what the URL states. Contrary to popular belief, not everybody does Facebook.

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    Re: Some WI legislature shenanigans (bills)


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    Quote Originally Posted by apjonas View Post
    Perhaps it works for you but I go to some Facebook page, which is what the URL states. Contrary to popular belief, not everybody does Facebook.
    I've opened the links from all the posts which have them, & they all go to the text of bills.
    I don't know why the first one bounced off FB.
    The link is exactly the same as I originally posted, and exactly the same as I've re-posted, copied over the original, but the reposted links don't bounce off FB.

    https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/201...roposals/sb102

    And yes, I know not everyone does FB. But it didn't stop at FB, even when I wasn't logged in.
    There are even people who won't make a yahoo or gmail email account with fake info in order to post here, though they follow the posts. Sort of the opposite of the stalkers / trolls.
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    SB69 https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2013/proposals/sb69

    "Straw purchase" felony with DOJ prosecution...

    Makes a person who fills out a transfer notification form, with false information regarding whether the person is purchasing a firearm with the purpose or intent of transferring the firearm to another whom the person knows or reasonably should know is presently prohibited from possessing a firearm, is guilty of a Class H felony, and authorizes the DOJ to prosecute such a violation.

    March 7, 2013 - Introduced by Senators Carpenter, Schultz, Lehman, Hansen, Erpenbach and Risser, cosponsored by Representatives Brooks, Pasch, Jacque, Richards, Sinicki, Zepnick, Sargent, Berceau, Goyke, Hebl, Ohnstad, Johnson, Barnes, C. Taylor and Young.

    March 7, 2013 - Referred to Committee on Transportation, Public Safety, and Veterans and Military Affairs.

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    AB118 https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2013/proposals/ab118

    Reorganizing exceptions to the prohibition against firearms in school zones.

    April 3, 2013 - Introduced by Representatives Pridemore, Thiesfeldt, T. Larson, Brooks and Knodl.

    April 3, 201 - It was referred to the House Judiciary Committee

    This bill basically replaces references to exceptions in Federal law, with explicitly describing the statutes within the Wisconsin Statutes. It does this for 5 exceptions here:

    948.605 (2) (b) 1m. A person who possesses the firearm in accordance with 18USC 922 (q) (2) (B) (i), (iv), (v), (vi), or (vii).
    There is a little variance in this replacing of references to Federal law, by inline text within Wisconsin statutes.

    Here is an exception in the Federal statute http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-...44-sec922.pdf:

    18USC 922 (q) (2) (B) (v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;
    And here it is after one of the changes proposed in this bill:

    948.605 (2) (b) 1o. A person who possesses the firearm in accordance with a contract entered into between the governing body of a school in the school zone and the person or an employer of the person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    A9 https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2013/proposals/ab9
    law enforcement officers who are on duty, off-duty law enforcement officers, and former law enforcement officers and going armed with firearms
    Last action 13FEB Read first time and referred to Committee on Judiciary
    Introduced by Representatives Kleefisch, Danou, Jacque, Mursau, Stroebel, Bernier, Born, Swearingen, A. Ott, Brooks, Tranel, Nerison, Bies, Weatherston, Kaufert, Thiesfeldt, Jagler, Schraa, T. Larson, Knodl and Czaja
    Cosponsored by Senators Gudex, L. Taylor and Kedzie
    [given the lack of action on this, I'm tempted to say it's dead]
    Did you all see this name? That's the Lt. Governor's husband. Next time I see her and/or him at a function I'm going to nail them on it, as we all should!

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