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    Biometric Database of All Adult Americans Hidden in Immigration Reform

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...form-dossiers/

    FUQ, I swear the title should be enough!

    Buried in the more than 800 pages of the bipartisan legislation (.pdf) is language mandating the creation of the innocuously-named “photo tool,” a massive federal database administered by the Department of Homeland Security and containing names, ages, Social Security numbers and photographs of everyone in the country with a driver’s license or other state-issued photo ID.
    This piece of the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act is aimed at curbing employment of undocumented immigrants. But privacy advocates fear the inevitable mission creep, ending with the proof of self being required at polling places, to rent a house, buy a gun, open a bank account, acquire credit, board a plane or even attend a sporting event or log on the internet. Think of it as a government version of Foursquare, with Big Brother cataloging every check-in.
    But you know what I love about this article? The comments section.

    Wired tends to draw the more intelligent crowd and you can see the posters handing a commenter his ass about voter ID laws being bad.
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    I have so little faith in most of my countrymen that I would rather have an educated immigrant vote than have an uneducated citizen vote.

    Better yet, have a simple test that you must pass before you can vote.

    1. What form of government did our founding fathers create?
    A republic, a republican form, a Constitutional republic.
    2. Does the federal constitution (bill of rights) GRANT rights?
    No, it was put there to secure/protect rights.
    3. Has there ever been an amendment to allow for a standing army?
    No such amendment has ever been passed.
    4. Was congress granted the power to PRINT money?
    No, it was granted the power to COIN money.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    I have so little faith in most of my countrymen that I would rather have an educated immigrant vote than have an uneducated citizen vote.

    Better yet, have a simple test that you must pass before you can vote.

    1. What form of government did our founding fathers create?
    A republic, a republican form, a Constitutional republic.
    2. Does the federal constitution (bill of rights) GRANT rights?
    No, it was put there to secure/protect rights.
    3. Has there ever been an amendment to allow for a standing army?
    No such amendment has ever been passed.
    4. Was congress granted the power to PRINT money?
    No, it was granted the power to COIN money.
    We have lots of educated immigrants. It's rare to see a Dr. or dentist without an accent these days. Most of the the intelligent ones are legal and citizens. I suspect many of them think armed citizens are backwoods hillbillies too.

    Careful what you wish for.

    P.S. Print vs. Coin? Really?

    P.P.S. To coin a phrase? What do you think coin means?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkey View Post
    We have lots of educated immigrants. It's rare to see a Dr. or dentist without an accent these days. Most of the the intelligent ones are legal and citizens. I suspect many of them think armed citizens are backwoods hillbillies too.

    Careful what you wish for.

    P.S. Print vs. Coin? Really?
    Yes, "and to print" was struck from the early draft of the constitution. "Forever baring the use of paper money."

    Coining and printing ARE NOT the same thing.

    Read Hamilton's notes. Before our federal constitution was written there was a paper currency that our founding fathers had lived through the failure there of. They never wanted that to happen again, so they did not grant congress the power to print money.

    To coin and to print Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the
    Standard of Weights and Measures;

    So how would you weigh the difference in value between different printed notes?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Have you ever been to California ?

    The immigrants here dont vote very well.
    Hence the test. Besides most "citizens" can't vote very well either. I mean have you looked in the White House lately?
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Have you ever been to California ?

    The immigrants here dont vote very well.
    Because the government has created the moral hazards. Unconstitutional drug war, unconstitutional nanny state.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Back to the subject matter of the OP posting .... now it is for employment purposes ... but even for that, its a terrible thing .. now the gov't will start collecting bio-data on us? And their purpose for collecting it does not make any sense but to start collecting data for data collecting's sake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Back to the subject matter of the OP posting .... now it is for employment purposes ... but even for that, its a terrible thing .. now the gov't will start collecting bio-data on us? And their purpose for collecting it does not make any sense but to start collecting data for data collecting's sake.
    See my thread on taxes to understand the "employee/employee" thing.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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