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    OC Rally June 22nd in Erie

    I know nothing about this except what's at the link, thought I would pass it along so anyone who might be interested could look into it.

    http://forum.pafoa.org/open-carry-14...june-erie.html

    From the link:


    Well, an OC rally has been scheduled for June 22 in Erie. However, there are currently some issues.

    Gregory Karle, the City Solicitor, has made it clear that they will be enforcing their preemption violation. With the threat of a fine up to $1,000 and up to 90 days in jail.

    Now, Justin, who is organizing the rally, is working with an attorney. And regardless, I am going. If everyone could show some support, the link the to facebook posting is here: https://www.facebook.com/OpenCarryPennsylvania
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    Well, an OC rally has been scheduled for June 22 in Erie. However, there are currently some issues.
    Gregory Karle, the City Solicitor, has made it clear that they will be enforcing their preemption violation. With the threat of a fine up to $1,000 and up to 90 days in jail.
    Now, Justin, who is organizing the rally, is working with an attorney. And regardless, I am going. If everyone could show some support, the link the to facebook posting is here: https://www.facebook.com/OpenCarryPennsylvania


    The PAFOA.org site is of questionable value and I say this as experience has repeatedly shown me that there appears to be a real screwy character behind it.

    As for Erie and it's believed to be anti-OC policy, as I understand it, the "Pre-Emption" status they're claiming by way of Mr. Karle only applies to Philadelphia County. If I'm right here, have no qualms about initiating your own pre-emptive strike (no pun intended) and file an action against Erie, it's mayor and mr. Karle, in the case of the last two, file the action against the two of them in their individual recognasence. What I'm suggesting is, by way of the courts, attempt to financially break these people, their superiors, aides, assistants, and others currently in government who back such anti-OC policies.

    With the above in mind, understand as well, at the federal level, along with Massachusetts, from the views of law and law enforcement, Pennsylvania is the laughing stock of the nation.

    You do not need the services of an attorney to take these people on. You've got a computer - you clearly have some idea of how to use it - now just do it. It's easier than you think and not very expense - but it does take time. When practicing law as a pro se it may take you a while to learn to get all your ducks in line but once you learn how to do it, it's priceless entertainment when you see the results of your new found skills. You're quite capable of scaring the hell out of people like Mr. Karlie, only right now you don't know it and the beauty about it is, neither does he but it's up to you.

    Regarding "Facebook" you would be well advised to stay away from it and other "social media" of that type and kind. The "tracking" that is going on, in part looking for people like you is almost unbelievable.

    Just my opinion for what it's worth.

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    Senate Bill 876, important firearms preemption legislation, has been introduced by state Senator Richard Alloway (R-33). If passed and enacted into law, this measure would strengthen Pennsylvania’s firearms preemption law to further ensure firearm and ammunition laws are consistent throughout the state.

    http://www.nraila.org/legislation/st...ntroduced.aspx
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    The whole situation has me extremely disappointed, not only is the solicitor clueless but everyone is blowing the whole erie thing out of proportion. The Erie City council members are requiring more information while they have people from both sides being abrasive and the solicitor isn't doing his job.

    I'm going to the Erie city council meeting, open carrying, to make sure all people attending the council hear what I've to say. Usually I don't even bother attending, but the mayor and solicitor haven't returned any of my phone calls. Some of the other members of the council have returned my phone call and I've given them a heads up I'll be attending on the 5th.

    For those in the area or want to make a drive, the council meeting is at 0900 hours at the city building. I've spoken with the officer in charge and they were very informed of state laws and were able assist me in verifying there were no prohibitions via state law on carrying inside of the city building at this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by david.ross View Post
    The whole situation has me extremely disappointed, not only is the solicitor clueless but everyone is blowing the whole erie thing out of proportion. The Erie City council members are requiring more information while they have people from both sides being abrasive and the solicitor isn't doing his job.

    I'm going to the Erie city council meeting, open carrying, to make sure all people attending the council hear what I've to say. Usually I don't even bother attending, but the mayor and solicitor haven't returned any of my phone calls. Some of the other members of the council have returned my phone call and I've given them a heads up I'll be attending on the 5th.

    For those in the area or want to make a drive, the council meeting is at 0900 hours at the city building. I've spoken with the officer in charge and they were very informed of state laws and were able assist me in verifying there were no prohibitions via state law on carrying inside of the city building at this time.

    Given the arrogance of some of the Erie officials it will be interesting to see this all go down.
    It might almost be fun. Good luck. Please let us know what happens.
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    FYI, the Lt. of the police department stated they'd arrest people carrying firearms in Perry Square
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    Quote Originally Posted by david.ross View Post
    FYI, the Lt. of the police department stated they'd arrest people carrying firearms in Perry Square
    Wow... that's actually worse than Philly.
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    Hey officer so and so, I dont think I will let you arrest me today.

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    is the PA forum dead? why no updates.... seems like some things went down at this rally? anyone get charged?

    http://gunssavelives.net/blog/protes...ience-protest/


    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...state-actions/

    doesn't the open carry ban violate pennsylvania preemption?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smellslikemichigan View Post
    is the PA forum dead? why no updates.... seems like some things went down at this rally? anyone get charged?

    http://gunssavelives.net/blog/protes...ience-protest/


    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...state-actions/

    doesn't the open carry ban violate pennsylvania preemption?
    Yes IMO the ban violates PA state premption.

    See some of the tactics used w/o RAS that the vehicle owner was even carrying:
    http://conservativevideos.com/2013/0...rry-ordinance/

    PA activists tend to concentrate on the PAFOA site - very active group.
    http://www.pafoa.org/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Yes IMO the ban violates PA state premption.
    Post #2 posits that pre-emption only applies to Philadelphia County. ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffin View Post
    Post #2 posits that pre-emption only applies to Philadelphia County. ???
    Pre-emption, PA 18 S. 6120, is statewide...

    18 Pa.C.S. § 6120. Limitation on the regulation of firearms and ammunition.

    (a) General rule.--No county, municipality or township may in any manner regulate the lawful
    ownership, possession, transfer or transportation of firearms, ammunition or ammunition
    components when carried or transported for purposes not prohibited by the laws of this
    Commonwealth.
    Link: http://www.pa2a.org/wiki.php?wid=43
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    Quote Originally Posted by smellslikemichigan View Post
    That is actually funny, but sad too. Best I can tell though everyone went home free that day.
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