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    exemptions from the ban SB1160 question

    Does this exemptions allow a employee of the DOC to lawfully carry LCM while off duty?
    Would this also allow them to still be able to purchase LCM for their own personal ownership?

    Exemptions from the Ban

    The following may possess, purchase, or import LCMs:

    1. members or employees of DESPP, police departments, DOC, or the state or U. S. Armed Forces (service members) (a) for use in the discharge of their official duties or (b) when off duty;


    Thanks for any clarification on this.. please refrain from any nonsense troll postings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KydexKustomsCT View Post
    Does this exemptions allow a employee of the DOC to lawfully carry LCM while off duty?
    Would this also allow them to still be able to purchase LCM for their own personal ownership?

    Exemptions from the Ban

    The following may possess, purchase, or import LCMs:

    1. members or employees of DESPP, police departments, DOC, or the state or U. S. Armed Forces (service members) (a) for use in the discharge of their official duties or (b) when off duty;


    Thanks for any clarification on this.. please refrain from any nonsense troll postings.
    I can understand outrage concerning such an exemption if one exists. But I think that you believe that "LCMs" limitations are illegal or unconstitutional correct? I look at the exemptions as proving that the exempted objects are indeed useful to general defense and therefore protected under the 2nd amendment.

    I just mostly laugh at these provisions ... so, if I want one I can just steal one from the hundreds within a few square feet of me, right? CLUNK! Thank you!

    I saw one Rep...I think it was Yanccino (sp?) saying " citizens having M16s are not going to win a war with the US Army" or something to that effect. If this thinking was accurate, no revolution would have ever been successful ~ the revolutionists invariably steal larger and better arms from the army until they are superior or equal or close enough to the army as necessary to defeat the army. Chairman Mao started out with a small handful of farmers who did not have the weaponry that the large Chinese army had but won anyway. Go figure, a democrat that knows shiiiiiit about history.

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    I don't agree with exemptions, but I am interested in this due to it will benefit me personally and others who would fall under this exemption.
    I am not one who is familiar with reading bills, statues and understanding all the legal babble

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    Quote Originally Posted by KydexKustomsCT View Post
    I don't agree with exemptions, but I am interested in this due to it will benefit me personally and others who would fall under this exemption.
    I am not one who is familiar with reading bills, statues and understanding all the legal babble
    Reading bills? They are written in rather straightforward English...there is no "legal babble" at all.

    How would the exemptions favor you personally?

    You object to the exemptions for what reason?

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    If the bill is written straight forward then why hasn't anyone answer my straight forward question regarding the exemption section of the bill.

    You just seem like an antagonist who likes to copy and paste things. Rarely help with a legitimate answer to someone's question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KydexKustomsCT View Post
    If the bill is written straight forward then why hasn't anyone answer my straight forward question regarding the exemption section of the bill.

    You just seem like an antagonist who likes to copy and paste things. Rarely help with a legitimate answer to someone's question.
    Because you are not being specific ... go to SB1160, find the section (each line is numbered) you are interested in and folks will be able to give a clear answer.

    "why hasn't anyone answered your ?" its just not me clearly ... I would be happy to answer your query if I knew exactly what section, what exemption you are speak of--instead of a single sentence? You do want a correct answer, right?

    The phrase that you wrote at first clearly indicates that those folks are exempt from the provisions of the bill/act. Its does not limit their purchasing in any way?-was your query? They are exempt, period. From the wording YOU listed ... if the words are different in the act then it may be different.

    Its plain English.

    Sounds like you don't like it that any DESPP employee can buy a LCM for whatever reason but you cannot ... I don't like that either.

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    I took that original post from the ct.gov site off the bill analysis page. Here is the section from the bill


    Sec. 23. (NEW) (Effective from passage) (a) As used in this section and section 24 of this act:

    (1) "Large capacity magazine" means any firearm magazine, belt, drum, feed strip or similar device that has the capacity of, or can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition, but does not include: (A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than ten rounds of ammunition, (B) a .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device, (C) a tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm, or (D) a magazine that is permanently inoperable;

    (2) "Lawfully possesses", with respect to a large capacity magazine, means that a person has (A) actual and lawful possession of the large capacity magazine, or (B) constructive possession of the large capacity magazine pursuant to a lawful purchase of a firearm that contains a large capacity magazine that was transacted prior to the effective date of this section, regardless of whether the firearm was delivered to the purchaser prior to the effective date of this section; and

    (3) "Licensed gun dealer" means a person who has a federal firearms license and a permit to sell firearms pursuant to section 29-28 of the general statutes.

    (b) Except as provided in this section, on and after the effective date of this section, any person who, within this state, distributes, imports into this state, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, or purchases a large capacity magazine shall be guilty of a class D felony. On and after the effective date of this section, any person who, within this state, transfers a large capacity magazine, except as provided in subsection (f) of this section, shall be guilty of a class D felony.

    (c) Except as provided in this section and section 24 of this act: (1) Any person who possesses a large capacity magazine on or after January 1, 2014, that was obtained prior to the effective date of this section shall commit an infraction and be fined not more than ninety dollars for a first offense and shall be guilty of a class D felony for any subsequent offense, and (2) any person who possesses a large capacity magazine on or after January 1, 2014, that was obtained on or after the effective date of this section shall be guilty of a class D felony.

    (d) A large capacity magazine may be possessed, purchased or imported by:

    (1) Members or employees of the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection, police departments, the Department of Correction or the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States for use in the discharge of their official duties or when off duty;


    The reason I inquire is that this will exempt myself from the restriction of LCM if I have read it correctly and I wasn't sure if I interpreted it wrong. I do think it is unfair the civilians don't have this right anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KydexKustomsCT View Post
    I took that original post from the ct.gov site off the bill analysis page. Here is the section from the bill

    (d) A large capacity magazine may be possessed, purchased or imported by:

    (1) Members or employees of the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection, police departments, the Department of Correction or the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States for use in the discharge of their official duties or when off duty;


    The reason I inquire is that this will exempt myself from the restriction of LCM if I have read it correctly and I wasn't sure if I interpreted it wrong. I do think it is unfair the civilians don't have this right anymore.
    Sorry no one has answered you directly, first the usual disclaimer IANAL and even if I was I am not your lawyer....reading the above line it shows that if you are a member or employee of the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection, police departments, the Department of Correction or the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States that you can purchase and possess and import LCMs, either in the discharge of their official duties or when off duty; so if you are one of those listed the answer speaks for itself. Now as far as carrying it fully loaded "off duty" I believe that is covered in a different section of the new law and we will have to go look that up (I am betting there is an exemption in that section as well but we shall see)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KydexKustomsCT View Post
    I do think it is unfair the civilians don't have this right anymore.
    Uh, DESPP are civilians .... but don't worry, If I want one, I know where to find them

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    ETA: First make sure you are using the entire new PA: http://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/act/pa/20...B-01160-PA.htm

    Looks like I was wrong on two counts, the way I read the law it states you will still need to declare them and I see no exemption for you to have more than 10 rounds in the mag outside your home or a range either, I think (and I only looked quickly and will double check) that the CT legislature pulled a NY and forgot to exempt LEOs from carrying more than 10 in their mags, the only exemption I see it that you can purchase, possess and import, not sure how you will go about registering them after the deadline, just another mistake in the bill....here's the pertinent sections

    (d) A large capacity magazine may be possessed, purchased or imported by:

    (1) Members or employees of the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection, police departments, the Department of Correction or the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States for use in the discharge of their official duties or when off duty;

    (2) Employees of a Nuclear Regulatory Commission licensee operating a nuclear power generating facility in this state for the purpose of providing security services at such facility, or any person, firm, corporation, contractor or subcontractor providing security services at such facility; or

    (3) Any person, firm or corporation engaged in the business of manufacturing large capacity magazines in this state that manufactures or transports large capacity magazines in this state for sale within this state to persons specified in subdivision (1) or (2) of this subsection or for sale outside this state.


    Sec. 24. (NEW) (Effective from passage) (a) Any person who lawfully possesses a large capacity magazine prior to January 1, 2014, shall apply by January 1, 2014, or, if such person is a member of the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States and is unable to apply by January 1, 2014, because such member is or was on official duty outside of this state, shall apply within ninety days of returning to the state to the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection to declare possession of such magazine. Such application shall be made on such form or in such manner as the Commissioner of Emergency Services and Public Protection prescribes.

    (f) Any person who declared possession of a large capacity magazine under this section may possess the large capacity magazine only under the following conditions:

    (1) At that person's residence;

    (2) At that person's place of business or other property owned by that person, provided such large capacity magazine contains not more than ten bullets;

    (3) While on the premises of a target range of a public or private club or organization organized for the purpose of practicing shooting at targets;

    (4) While on a target range which holds a regulatory or business license for the purpose of practicing shooting at that target range;

    (5) While on the premises of a licensed shooting club;

    (6) While transporting the large capacity magazine between any of the places set forth in this subsection, or to any licensed gun dealer, provided (A) such large capacity magazine contains not more than ten bullets, and (B) the large capacity magazine is transported in the manner required for an assault weapon under subdivision (2) of subsection (a) of section 53-202f of the general statutes, as amended by this act; or

    (7) Pursuant to a valid permit to carry a pistol or revolver, provided such large capacity magazine (A) is within a pistol or revolver that was lawfully possessed by the person prior to the effective date of this section, (B) does not extend beyond the bottom of the pistol grip, and (C) contains not more than ten bullets.

    (g) Any person who violates the provisions of subsection (f) of this section shall be guilty of a class C misdemeanor.


    The reason I feel section 24 even applies to the exempted people listed is because it includes a way for: "such person is a member of the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States and is unable to apply by January 1, 2014, because such member is or was on official duty outside of this state, shall apply within ninety days of returning to the state" since they were listed as an exemption in the first section, I can't see how section 24 could not apply to all the other exempted people....ouch, you may have stumbled on a huge flaw in this bill, who wants to confirm that police are not exempt from the 10 round carry outside the home law and leak it to the press.......
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