Sign at Virginia Beach PD Office

Grapeshot · May 17, 2013

Esanders2008 said:
Just spoke to Sgt Minehan, VBPD, and he said "the building is owned by the city, so just like movie theaters can ban weapons, so can we" (paraphrase). I said no sir, that is not the case, let me read you the code. He interrupted, and said he is not going to argue with me, and that is the policy.

Oh boy.

Send him a witten request, ask him to restate that conversation - maybe that will give them enough rope.

You do know that you can record telephone conversation where you are one of the parties in Va., right?
http://www.pimall.com/nais/n.tel.tape.law.html

http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/virginia-recording-law

Esanders2008 · May 17, 2013

Can you give me an example how to properly phrase that letter?

Esanders2008 · May 17, 2013

Also, I have a witness to the conversation. I had my phone on speaker and Courtney was right there.

Grapeshot · May 17, 2013

Esanders2008 said:
Can you give me an example how to properly phrase that letter?

I'm rapidly running out of time for this week-end = GOP Convention and related. Might have time later tonight - if not will try to do something early next week.

Esanders2008 · May 17, 2013

Grapeshot said:
I'm rapidly running out of time for this week-end = GOP Convention and related. Might have time later tonight - if not will try to do something early next week.

Thank you bunches! I'm wondering if I should call to schedule an appointment to speak with the police chief himself?

Grapeshot · May 17, 2013

Esanders2008 said:
Thank you bunches! I'm wondering if I should call to schedule an appointment to speak with the police chief himself?

Would not hurt. Take digital recorder covertly - a recorder will be your friend for life.

Esanders2008 · May 17, 2013

Will do.

skidmark · May 17, 2013

Esanders2008 said:
Just spoke to Sgt Minehan, VBPD, and he said "the building is owned by the city, so just like movie theaters can ban weapons, so can we" (paraphrase). I said no sir, that is not the case, let me read you the code. He interrupted, and said he is not going to argue with me, and that is the policy.

Oh boy.

Truely the horns of a dilema - to either educate them (presuming you and the city attorney/city council disagree with my analysis of the sign and the action behind it not violating 15.2-915) and have the sign taken down or to take them to court in the hopes that a judge will see things other than as I have, and (if sucessful) have the sign taken down. Option #1 looks like a lot of work is going to be needed. Option #2 will fill the pockets of an attorney regardless of the outcome but provides only a moral "feel-good" feeling to you, and if you win getting back your money used to hire the attorney.

Sgt Minehan most likely is not authorized to speak for the department regarding the legal theories guiding the policies of the department. When you are discussing the sign issue with the Chief you might also inform him that Sgt Minehan needs to work up a better brush-off line so that he does not make the department look like a bunch of jackasses.

stay safe.

Thundar · May 17, 2013

Grapeshot said:
Send him a witten request, ask him to restate that conversation - maybe that will give them enough rope.

You do know that you can record telephone conversation where you are one of the parties in Va., right?
http://www.pimall.com/nais/n.tel.tape.law.html

http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/virginia-recording-law

Better yet. The good SGT said "that is the policy" FOIA him and ask for a written copy of "the policy".

Smart phones record well when you use another phone as a speaker phone.

Esanders2008 · May 17, 2013

Thundar said:
Better yet. The good SGT said "that is the policy" FOIA him and ask for a written copy of "the policy".

Smart phones record well when you use another phone as a speaker phone.

This ^^

I spoke to the city attorney's office, and recorded the conversation. This is edited to leave out my phone number. :uhoh:

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_j8D_sSkyaFSzJFNjVteFBRRlE/edit?usp=sharing

No sign-up needed

skidmark · May 17, 2013

Esanders2008 said:
....

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_j8D_sSkyaFSzJFNjVteFBRRlE/edit?usp=sharing

No sign-up needed

Yes, sign-up is needed.

I do not do Google Chrome, or FaceSpace or MyBook because of their privacy policies. I may be part of a dwindling minority. How much longer can I hold out?

stay safe.

Esanders2008 · May 17, 2013

It told me no sign up required to view the document. Hmmm. Alternatives?

Esanders2008 · May 17, 2013

Did you try just clicking the link?

VanillaBK · May 17, 2013

I didn't need to sign in.

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Glockster · May 17, 2013

And while "we're" at it I'd like to mention that there are four precincts in VA BH, and each of them have a similar sign (i.e., language the same, but physical sign and locations vary) and some are inside of the precincts.

When you spoke with the Sgt., did he indicate if he was attached to the 1st Precinct, or to the "headquarters" staff. That would indicate if the Sgt. reports to the Lt. who reports to the Capt., or if he was in the Crime Prevention Unit or Public Affairs, or any of several other parts of the VBPD located at that particular building.

Fallschirjmäger · May 17, 2013

peter nap said:
The key word is "ASK".
They can ask what they want.
No, it's not legal to require it in the non secure public areas but again, they're only asking.

Agreed... they can ask Anything, even for all men to wear hats or women to flash their boobies. Doesn't mean they have the authority to force.

Esanders2008 · May 17, 2013

drdan01 said:
And while "we're" at it I'd like to mention that there are four precincts in VA BH, and each of them have a similar sign (i.e., language the same, but physical sign and locations vary) and some are inside of the precincts.

When you spoke with the Sgt., did he indicate if he was attached to the 1st Precinct, or to the "headquarters" staff. That would indicate if the Sgt. reports to the Lt. who reports to the Capt., or if he was in the Crime Prevention Unit or Public Affairs, or any of several other parts of the VBPD located at that particular building.

He was the duty sgt at bldg 11

Grapeshot · May 18, 2013

Esanders2008 said:
He was the duty sgt at bldg 11

Unfortunately, you were talking to a very low slot on the management pyramid.

Leaving for the GOP Convention shortly, back later.

Blk97F150 · May 18, 2013

Esanders2008 said:
Just spoke to Sgt Minehan, VBPD, and he said "the building is owned by the city, so just like movie theaters can ban weapons, so can we" (paraphrase). I said no sir, that is not the case, let me read you the code. He interrupted, and said he is not going to argue with me, and that is the policy.

Oh boy.

Another police officer who doesn't know the law?? I'm shocked.... SHOCKED I tell ya...

Ok, not really....

DrMark · May 18, 2013

So they ask you to leave it in the car, and if you don't, advise the desk officer.

Does anyone know first-hand what happens when you advise the desk officer that you're carrying?

We expect them to say "you cannot" but unless I missed, has anyone heard that directly?

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