Can Someone Please Explain Why Obamacare is Bad?

ADobbs1989 · May 18, 2013

eye95 said:
Those who think that there are "some good features" to obamacare must think that forcing someone into a contract that is "good for them" is OK. *I* decide what is "good for me." No one else does, let alone some nanny, bloombergian bureaucrat who thinks he knows better than me.

It is MY job to make sure that unnecessary tests are not done, that I am not overcharged, etc, not the governments.

Free markets ran the medical profession just fine until government and employers got involved. Folks paid for routine visits out of their pockets and bought insurance only to protect them from catastrophic illness. We should return to that model--or at least allow that as an option.

The problems we have now only exist because of insurance company, employer, and governmental interference with an erstwhile free market.

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Hasty generalization and false accusation alert. No one here has argued that forcing someone into a contract is a good thing. In fact in general everyone who has posted "there are some good things" has specifically stated that it WAS NOT a good thing to force people into a contract. Moving on.

countryclubjoe · May 18, 2013

Our life and our entire family's life will now become an open book for the whole world to see.

Esanders2008 · May 18, 2013

countryclubjoe said:
our life and our entire family's life will now become an open book for the whole world to see.

hipaa?

Esanders2008 · May 18, 2013

eye95 said:
Those who think that there are "some good features" to obamacare must think that forcing someone into a contract that is "good for them" is OK. *I* decide what is "good for me." No one else does, let alone some nanny, bloombergian bureaucrat who thinks he knows better than me.

It is MY job to make sure that unnecessary tests are not done, that I am not overcharged, etc, not the governments.

Free markets ran the medical profession just fine until government and employers got involved. Folks paid for routine visits out of their pockets and bought insurance only to protect them from catastrophic illness. We should return to that model--or at least allow that as an option.

The problems we have now only exist because of insurance company, employer, and governmental interference with an erstwhile free market.

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I had the misfortune of being sideswiped last year. My medical bills, since I was uninsured, reached into the thousands. Who has the money to pay for that out of pocket?

Ca Patriot · May 18, 2013

I think Obamacare is great. Personally, I like it when the government forces me to do things. I like the government in charge of making decisions on my health care.

I'm especially happy that the IRS can use this law and grow bigger and bigger.

I welcome the IRS to have a bigger role in my life and I trust that since I am a Patriot that they will treat me in accordance with the constitutional rights that I have.

eye95 · May 18, 2013

fairtax.org

End the IRS and remove the power of the feds.

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Esanders2008 · May 18, 2013

Ca Patriot said:
I think Obamacare is great. Personally, I like it when the government forces me to do things. I like the government in charge of making decisions on my health care.

I'm especially happy that the IRS can use this law and grow bigger and bigger.

I welcome the IRS to have a bigger role in my life and I trust that since I am a Patriot that they will treat me in accordance with the constitutional rights that I have.

hehe..

ADobbs1989 · May 18, 2013

Esanders2008 said:
I had the misfortune of being sideswiped last year. My medical bills, since I was uninsured, reached into the thousands. Who has the money to pay for that out of pocket?

My wife was told to take our son to the hospital to get a breathing treatment because he was having some troubles. We use an income based doctor so very cheap...however we go to the hospital and he gets a 30 minute breathing treatment without ever seeing a doctor. Bill=$3000+ That's the issue, no one can afford healthcare out of pocket anymore (except the ignorantly rich) because they charge a STUPID amount of money for NOTHING.

eye95 · May 18, 2013

So why don't you just take it out of MY pocket?

Pay for it out of your damn pocket, try to obtain VOLUNTARY charity, or do without. You and the government have no right nor authority to EXPECT or to FORCE me to help.

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countryclubjoe · May 18, 2013

Esanders2008 said:
hipaa?

IRS will trump hipaa.

Somewhere hidden in the contract your signature will allow IRS to throw hipaa or whatever out the window.

CCJ

Esanders2008 · May 18, 2013

eye95 said:
So why don't you just take it out of MY pocket?

Pay for it out of your damn pocket, try to obtain VOLUNTARY charity, or do without. You and the government have no right nor authority to EXPECT or to FORCE me to help.

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So the child with leukemia, whose parents were laid off during the economic crash, are supposed to let their child DIE? I think we have a common responsibility to help out in situations like this.

What happens when the charity/church doesn't have money to spare?

What about if your house is on fire? Should the tax-payer funded fire department should tell you to just grab your own bucket, or get a "charity" to loan you one.

Do you pay for private school for your children? Or do you let your taxes help cover the cost?

Are you expected to fill in potholes on the road yourself, with your own materials? Or do you let the government take care of that with your tax money?

The list goes on and on.

Esanders2008 · May 18, 2013

countryclubjoe said:
IRS will trump hipaa.

Somewhere hidden in the contract your signature will allow IRS to throw hipaa or whatever out the window.

CCJ

Cite please. The full text of the ACA is available online.

Freedom1Man · May 18, 2013

eye95 said:
fairtax.org

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Please, your ignorance is showing.

The "fairtax" would still use the IRS to collect it for one.

It is unconstitutional for two.

Sorry, you should look you the thread I started that covers the income tax in-depth complete with videos.

Esanders2008 · May 18, 2013

Freedom1Man said:
Please, your ignorance is showing.

The "fairtax" would still use the IRS to collect it for one.

It is unconstitutional for two.

Sorry, you should look you the thread I started that covers the income tax in-depth complete with videos.

Could you please provide that link for me? I'd like to read it.

eye95 · May 18, 2013

Esanders2008 said:
So the child with leukemia, whose parents were laid off during the economic crash, are supposed to let their child DIE?..

I don't know, but this may sound cold, but NOT my legal obligation one way or the other.

It may be my MORAL obligation, but that is between me and God. My participation is not the child's business, not the parents' business, and (most of all) NOT the government's business.

God has convicted me in HIS way to help others, and, as a percentage of my income, I probably answer that call more than almost all the socialists trying to ROB me "for the children."

So, either take my demand to give every dime you have to others who need it or shut up about whether I should be forced by government to help this child.

There is nothing more hypocritical that criticizing those who reject the government FORCING charity when the hypocrite has not helped everyone he can. So, take your hypocritical guilt-trip elsewhere and get the hell outta MY pocket.

eye95 · May 18, 2013

Don't let the ignorance of one claiming my ignorance trick you into your own ignorance.

Visit the site for yourself. Don't take my word or his for what the Fair Tax is.

fairtax.org.

Esanders2008 · May 18, 2013

eye95 said:
I don't know, but this may sound cold, but NOT my legal obligation one way or the other.

It may be my MORAL obligation, but that is between me and God. My participation is not the child's business, not the parents' business, and (most of all) NOT the government's business.

God has convicted me in HIS way to help others, and, as a percentage of my income, I probably answer that call more than almost all the socialists trying to ROB me "for the children."

So, either take my demand to give every dime you have to others who need it or shut up about whether I should be forced by government to help this child.

There is nothing more hypocritical that criticizing those who reject the government FORCING charity when the hypocrite has not helped everyone he can. So, take your hypocritical guilt-trip elsewhere and get the hell outta MY pocket.

You didn't even read past the first line. And who says we all believe in God? And how am I being hypocritical? All I asked was for someone to explain what Obamacare is, and why they think it is bad or good.

YOU have come here and basically been very disrespectful to everyone involved in this thread. How hypocritical is it for a (I assume) Christian to tell someone to "piss off"?

ETA: Please see Matthew 6:1 in reference to your statement " as a percentage of my income, I probably answer that call more than almost all the socialists trying to ROB me "for the children.""

Freedom1Man · May 18, 2013

Esanders2008 said:
I don't claim to know anything, but it is my understanding that certain portions of this reform are good. For example, there is a prohibition next year on denying coverage based on pre existing conditions. That is the very reason I can't get affordable insurance right now. I'd like someone to explain the reform in easy to understand terms, and explain the pros and cons. Thanks a bunch guys and gals.

There is nothing wrong with it, except the misinformation about it.

There is no requirement found in the law that requires the average citizen to participate.

This is the only withholding of the obama scare tax that I can find. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title26/html/USCODE-2011-title26-subtitleD-chap50.htm

Then the rest of the time it talks about "employees" and "employers."

"(20) Employee

For the purpose of applying the provisions of section 79 with respect to group-term life insurance purchased for employees, for the purpose of applying the provisions of sections 104, 105, and 106 with respect to accident and health insurance or accident and health plans, and for the purpose of applying the provisions of subtitle A with respect to contributions to or under a stock bonus, pension, profit-sharing, or annuity plan, and with respect to distributions under such a plan, or by a trust forming part of such a plan, and for purposes of applying section 125 with respect to cafeteria plans, the term “employee” shall include a full-time life insurance salesman who is considered an employee for the purpose of chapter 21, or in the case of services performed before January 1, 1951, who would be considered an employee if his services were performed during 1951."

Are you selling life insurance?

Law is semantics, and if you don't learn that then you will never understand the limited powers of the government and you will effectively have no rights.

Now, as far as Obamascare is being sold to the sheeple. It's simple, the government steals from those who are still healthy and gives their money to those who are not healthy, the doctors don't get paid, the government workers do, and the cost of being a doctor goes up and the quality of service goes down.

I figured I would tell the hard truth first and then give you the "truth" as it is being sold to the masses of ignorants

eye95 · May 18, 2013

Esanders2008 said:
You didn't even read past the first line. And who says we all believe in God? And how am I being hypocritical? All I asked was for someone to explain what Obamacare is, and why they think it is bad or good.

YOU have come here and basically been very disrespectful to everyone involved in this thread. How hypocritical is it for a (I assume) Christian to tell someone to "piss off"?

ETA: Please see Matthew 6:1 in reference to your statement " as a percentage of my income, I probably answer that call more than almost all the socialists trying to ROB me "for the children.""

I am indeed being disrespectful to you. By supporting obamacare in the least you are being disrespectful to my Liberty--and I do not take kindly to that at all. So, if you are advocating for this program in the least, this program that robs me, "for the children, then, in all seriousness, piss off. Get your grubby, greedy hands out of MY pocket.

Freedom1Man · May 18, 2013

eye95 said:
I am indeed being disrespectful to you. By supporting obamacare in the least you are being disrespectful to my Liberty--and I do not take kindly to that at all. So, if you are advocating for this program in the least, this program that robs me, "for the children, then, in all seriousness, piss off. Get your grubby, greedy hands out of MY pocket.

Sometimes, EYE and I agree on things. So, "what he said."

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