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    OC at The Diamond?

    The only info I've been able to find on it was this thread: http://vagunforum.net/carrying/the-d...kay-t5953.html

    From what I've been able to dig up I'm going to guess that it's covered under preemption given it's owned by the RMA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Numenor View Post
    The only info I've been able to find on it was this thread: http://vagunforum.net/carrying/the-d...kay-t5953.html

    From what I've been able to dig up I'm going to guess that it's covered under preemption given it's owned by the RMA?
    This was discussed last year and I recall it was covered by preemption and Proshooter tested it without any problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    This was discussed last year and I recall it was covered by preemption and Proshooter tested it without any problems.
    I have OC'd and CC'd there without an issue.
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    New Signs at the Diamond?

    I apologize in advance for not having a picture of the sign to post, but I ended up leaving my cell phone at home.
    Anyways, I've read that others have carried at the Diamond w/o any troubles in the past, and I don't remember seeing the sign earlier this season, but when I went to the game on Sunday, there are several signs fixed to the red gate bars that says that "all weapons are prohibited, including pocketknives"
    I was wondering if anyone else had noticed these?

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    Have to wonder what is different. This comes up periodically and the answer has always been preemption prevails.
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...at-The-Diamond
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    But handguns are not weapons - they are firearms. See 18.2-308 where they clearly distinguish firearms from weapons.

    It sounds as if we are going to have to go through the "who controls The Diamond?" discussion again. I don't suppose we could just jump to the end and say that RMA is a local government authority that is subject to preemption under 15.2-915, could we?

    As for regulating the carrying of weapons - "including pocketknives": They had better have gone through the regulatory process of the VAC to cover items not already controlled by 18.2-308. Anybody want to put money on them having actually done that?

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    Yet another reason it should be against the law to state policy in the context of illegal activity.

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    In 2010 (their first year), we were a sponsor and ran this ad in their program for 71 home games. It was in the program right next to the game promotions page.




    I oc'd (mostly) at the numerous meetings to set up our sponsorship, as well as at several games that year. They understood then that handguns were legal to carry there. Never had an issue.
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    I'm guessing they got some new hotshot whipper-snapper on staff who doesn't know squat, and thinks he's thought of something nobody else happened to think of yet.

    ETA: I guess the question to ask is, do any written communications with them on the subject exist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    I'm guessing they got some new hotshot whipper-snapper on staff who doesn't know squat, and thinks he's thought of something nobody else happened to think of yet.

    ETA: I guess the question to ask is, do any written communications with them on the subject exist?

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    Give Ed a chance. Those postcards do not appear magically, you know.

    Seriously, it's time to start. Phone call scheduled for later today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    I'm guessing they got some new hotshot whipper-snapper on staff who doesn't know squat, and thinks he's thought of something nobody else happened to think of yet.

    ETA: I guess the question to ask is, do any written communications with them on the subject exist?

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    Yeah...the Mayors assistant has them

    I need to go there later today. I think I lost something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Yeah...the Mayors assistant has them

    I need to go there later today. I think I lost something.
    I'm still waiting for my phone call.....think she might be out to lunch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ymmv View Post
    I apologize in advance for not having a picture of the sign to post, but I ended up leaving my cell phone at home.
    Anyways, I've read that others have carried at the Diamond w/o any troubles in the past, and I don't remember seeing the sign earlier this season, but when I went to the game on Sunday, there are several signs fixed to the red gate bars that says that "all weapons are prohibited, including pocketknives"
    I was wondering if anyone else had noticed these?
    Is this the sign you speak of?
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    Yep... that's the sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ymmv View Post
    Yep... that's the sign.
    Was never there during the Braves games. I'm sure it was put up by the new ball team. Soon that property will become a shopping center. Now that's a shame.

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    Thanks Kenny!
    It didn't save me a trip but it did adjust the destination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Thanks Kenny!
    It didn't save me a trip but it did adjust the destination.
    I adjusted my morning walk to include the area and you are welcome.

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    Phone call in to the folks at The Diamond. They are trying to figure out who is in charge of the facility so they can get the message to him to return a call.

    Too bad it did not involve something directly related to the team - they know everybody and their area of responsibility.

    More as progress is made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Phone call in to the folks at The Diamond. They are trying to figure out who is in charge of the facility so they can get the message to him to return a call.

    Too bad it did not involve something directly related to the team - they know everybody and their area of responsibility.

    More as progress is made.

    stay safe.
    Good job Skid! If I may, here is alternative contact info:
    http://www.rmaonline.org/contact.html

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    Just for kicks, the policy is on the website.

    Scroll down to Weapons.

    Their ban even applies to off-duty LEOs.

    TFred

    Weapons: For the safety of all guests, weapons of any kind are not permitted at The Diamond. The only exception to this is law enforcement personnel in the performance of their official duties. Guests wishing to enter the stadium for a game or event consent to a reasonable search for weapons before entering. Failure to comply with the above conditions will be denied admittance or may be ejected. No refunds or exchanges will be allowed in such an event.
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    Anyone want to go see a ballgame?

    http://www.milb.com/schedule/index.jsp?sid=t3410

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blk97F150 View Post
    Anyone want to go see a ballgame?

    http://www.milb.com/schedule/index.jsp?sid=t3410
    If you do, let me know. Been dull here today. Skidmark's bashing the Diamond, the Amelia Clerk is easy enough. No windmills to fight....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blk97F150 View Post
    Good job Skid! If I may, here is alternative contact info:
    http://www.rmaonline.org/contact.html
    Thanks. I'll keep it on hand, but right now the plan is to let them dig their hole as deep as possible.

    stay safe.
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    Skidmark have you heard anything back from the operators of this "Diamond" facility?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmelvin View Post
    Skidmark have you heard anything back from the operators of this "Diamond" facility?
    Stuill waiting a response. Phone call & email sent - I'm just going to wait them out.

    stay safe.
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