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    Man Follows Biden's Advice, Gets Charged By Police and Rifle Confiscated

    The news story goes, that Joe Biden once said:
    "... put [up] that double barreled shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.’ You don’t need an AR-15—it’s harder to aim, it’s harder to use, and in fact you don’t need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!”

    Well, this particular Oregon man (an Iraq and Afghanistan war veteran) didn’t use a shotgun. He actually had an AR-15. Someone was trying to break in the back door of his apartment on Sunday night, and he told the criminal that he was armed and that he would fire one and only one warning shot. “This is the end result,” he explained to a local news station. “You break into someone’s house, there’s consequences,” As Walter Sobchak from The Big Lebowski would have said, “You are entering a world of pain.”

    As for the military vet who took Joe Biden’s advice, he was charged with Unlawful Use of a Weapon, Menacing, and Reckless Endangering. They also confiscated his rifle, because it was “used in the commission of a crime.”
    Police said that there was no justification for what Thompson did in firing a warning shot. Since Thompson told the police that he was trying to protect his property, there was no legal reason for him to use lethal force. The only time a citizen may use deadly force is when he believes his life is in danger. I guess this is just what happens when you take the Vice President’s advice.
    For details: http://politicaloutcast.com/2013/05/...#ixzz2UtUEXH63

    I guess Biden forgot to mention the "Upon arrival, the police will promptly charge you with a crime" part. Here's what PsMO... the weapon wasn't "used in the commission of a crime", it was used in the termination of a crime already in progress. Overlooking the fact that Biden is a farging idiot, how does "lethal force" find it's way into this scenario? In order to be considered "lethal/deadly", wouldn't the "force" need to be applied directly to some creature that could actually die? It sounds like the cops were just piling on as many charges as they could dream up. In the complete article it mentions that this activity took place in Oregon, but it doesn't mention the city (my guess would be northern Oregon, around the Salem-Portland area - that's where the left-wing loonies are concentrated). If this action took place in say, Grants Pass OR, and if the gun owner was charged with anything at all it would be something like "misdemeanor discharging a firearm within the city limits", and his punishment would be, "Say three Hail Armalite's, then go and sin no more." Apparently the cops in whatever town that was have no discretionary powers in their interpretation of what constitutes a crime, and they enforce the letter of the law, without regard for the law's intent. However, I suppose I should find such actions unsurprising, given the amount of pressure being brought to bear on firearms owners by the left-wing Administration and its minions in the DOJ and DoHS. Pax...



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    Thompson told the police that he was trying to protect his property
    Problem #1: he listened to Biden
    Problem #2: he didn't know the laws in his state *
    Problem #3: he talked to police more than simply to say "he was trying to break in even after he knew I was home, I was afraid he would try to kill me, I'll give a full statement once I've talked with my lawyer"

    * would someone please post a link to the Oregon self-defense, property defense, & castle doctrine / stand your ground law(s), whichever exist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    would someone please post a link to the Oregon self-defense, property defense, & castle doctrine / stand your ground law(s), whichever exist?
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    ....if the citizen would have used a double barreled shotgun as Uncle Joe advised his defense would have been assured.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
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    This happened in my town.

    There's more to this story than we know. The police have been reported as saying that they found no evidence of any attempted break in, we don't know what the homeowner said to police.....but we do know he is talking a lot and has given a news interview that I don't think was in his best interest.

    He is charged with
    166.220 Unlawful use of a weapon [FELONY] (but I don't think that will stick if he can get the attempted break in to the jury)
    163.190 Menacing [CLASS A MISDEMEANOR]
    163.195 Reckless endangerment [CLASS A MISDEMEANOR]

    I suspect they'll try to get him to plead on Reckless endangerment, keep his weapon, and try to yank his firearms rights. At the moment we're not sure if he's gotten REAL representation or has a public defender.
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    Man Follows Biden's Advice, Gets Charged By Police and Rifle Confiscated

    If I were his lawyer, I'd recommend holding out for a plea deal that will leave him with his RKBA intact. They will probably go for that to get this one over.


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    Quote Originally Posted by joanie View Post
    I don't know if we're supposed to be talking about this, isn't this handgun discussion only?
    You have completely missed the point of this thread. It isn't about the particular type of firearm he used, it's about the attitude of the police toward an individual with a firearm. If he had chosen to use a handgun, the result would have been UNCHANGED - the same charges would be filed against him. This is the "News and Political Alerts" forum, and this article contains news that could have some impact on any of us.
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    Used to be in Louisiana you could shoot anyone on your property - that was it. On someone else's land? Taking your chances...

    That's the way it should be. Clear & concise, no "well, you could have done this or that"

    Wonder if its still that way in LA...

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    I wonder if it ever was that way. Considering who made the assertion and the outlandish nature of the assertion, I'd bet no.

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    This is ridiculous. I read that the guy attempting to break in ran into police and was arrested - yet the police want to go after victim with no evidence of attempt to break in.

    Gil223: as many charges as they could dream up
    Yes! It's dangerous to give a warning shot, I would hate to be hit by a stray warning shot, but if he fired into dirt and no one was hurt, their agenda is clear with all those charges.

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    The "system" always "piles on charges" so they can scare the defendant with big scary possible prison sentences. They do this even if they know they have no chance of winning (correction, no legal case, who knows what a jury will buy off on). Then they offer a "sweet" plea deal that fits with their political agenda (such as a charge that has no jail time, but pulls your RKBA).

    95+ percent of all criminal cases never see a court room. If We The People demanded our right to trial the system would screech to a stop.
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    The "system" always "piles on charges" so they can scare the defendant with big scary possible prison sentences. They do this even if they know they have no chance of winning (correction, no legal case, who knows what a jury will buy off on). Then they offer a "sweet" plea deal that fits with their political agenda (such as a charge that has no jail time, but pulls your RKBA).
    Amen! Well put.

    Let us know if you hear local updates on this?

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