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    Alabama Police Set Up Roadblocks Asking for Blood, DNA Samples.

    Why were roadblocks in St. Clair and Bibb counties asking for blood and DNA samples this weekend?
    http://blog.al.com/east-alabama/2013...n_st_clai.html
    Off-duty St. Clair County deputies stopped cars at random at road block areas. The road blocks were marked with signs stating it was a paid survey. Cars stopped were asked for voluntary cooperation. Drivers were offered $10 for a mouth swab, and $50 for a blood test. If they refused, they were free to drive away. An official with the NHTSA said later that DNA was not collected as part of the survey, but only saliva and breath samples.
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    I would be glad to extract a sample ... of theirs

    I have seen this at block parties in cities too ...

    isn't that special
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    So, let me make sure I understand this. The copses was seizing cars randomly in a roadblock--involuntary, compulsory stop!--just so they could ask the citizens for voluntary contribution to a private survey? What imbecile thunk up that one?

    Sounds like time for a lawsuit to me.
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    I don't care a whit that folks were given an opportunity to sell DNA samples.

    I do care that the police used governmental force to stop citizens to help a private entity conduct its research. BULLSQUAT! Even if one accepts the authority for roadblocks to check for compliance with driving laws, this falls outside even that authority, let alone the need for RAS to stop citizens.

    Someone needs to be officially punished for violating the rights of so many citizens. God help them if they stop me for a "voluntary sample." There WILL be hell to pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    So, let me make sure I understand this. The copses was seizing cars randomly in a roadblock--involuntary, compulsory stop!--just so they could ask the citizens for voluntary contribution to a private survey? What imbecile thunk up that one?

    Sounds like time for a lawsuit to me.
    No, no you got it all wrong, they weren't detained after they were stopped, they were perfectly free to go.

    Nevermind U.S. v. Martinez-Fuerte and Michigan v. Sitz and Delaware v. Prouse, ad nauseum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joanie View Post
    Yeah, like having police surrounding you on all sides blocking your way, but telling you your free to go, and not letting you by them. "But your free to go, if you can get past us"

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    I wonder what would have happened if I just honked my horn and drove right through without stopping. I wonder if they identified themselves as police?

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    Alabama Police Set Up Roadblocks Asking for Blood, DNA Samples.

    Take a look at the latest government contract that P.I.R.E. got to do "traffic studies". This sounds like it might be part of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I don't care a whit that folks were given an opportunity to sell DNA samples.

    I do care that the police used governmental force to stop citizens to help a private entity conduct its research. BULLSQUAT! Even if one accepts the authority for roadblocks to check for compliance with driving laws, this falls outside even that authority, let alone the need for RAS to stop citizens.

    Someone needs to be officially punished for violating the rights of so many citizens. God help them if they stop me for a "voluntary sample." There WILL be hell to pay.
    The courts have handed so many warrant exceptions to police, its no wonder police do these things.

    Did you know it was legal to involuntarily seize a car in a roadblock to ask the driver voluntarily whether he'd seen or heard anything suspicious relative to a recent crime in the area? I came across it some months ago in a court case. Federal case I vaguely recall. Now, if that isn't absurd. The obvious point the court overlooked is that the police could just go door to door in that neighborhood. You know, like they used to do in the old days when cops were cops, real flat-foot work.
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    This story is outrageous. A private company hired off duty sheriffs to act under color of law to detain and inconvenience its citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator View Post
    I wonder what would have happened if I just honked my horn and drove right through without stopping. I wonder if they identified themselves as police?
    This was my thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    The courts have handed so many warrant exceptions to police, its no wonder police do these things.

    Did you know it was legal to involuntarily seize a car in a roadblock to ask the driver voluntarily whether he'd seen or heard anything suspicious relative to a recent crime in the area? I came across it some months ago in a court case. Federal case I vaguely recall. Now, if that isn't absurd. The obvious point the court overlooked is that the police could just go door to door in that neighborhood. You know, like they used to do in the old days when cops were cops, real flat-foot work.
    While I disagree with that exception, to analogize it to the subject stop is hyperbolic. One can reasonably argue that there is a legitimate law enforcement reason for the stops you are decrying. There is zero law enforcement reason for stops that assist a private entity in conducting research.

    Actually, that is precisely the point of my previous post. These stops aren't even being made under the guise of stopping/solving violations of the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator View Post
    I wonder what would have happened if I just honked my horn and drove right through without stopping. I wonder if they identified themselves as police?
    Probably nothing. The cops surely know that the stop does not carry the force of law, even though they are clearly trying to convey that impression.

    However, unless you are psychic, how would you know, until you have been stopped, that the stop would be unlawful? By driving through, you would risk disobeying a lawful order by a LEO to stop, thereby committing a crime.

    This is one of the reasons that color of law violations are so egregious. People are deceptively made to believe that the government is performing a necessary function, inducing fraudulent submission to tyranny, with little or no recourse afterward. Using the color of law in this manner should be a crime.

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