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    The latest insult to Erik Scott's Memory

    http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/cr...hanging-police

    Did any of you boys see the latest insult to Erik's memory by a jerk so-called reporter by the name Mike Blasky?

    "Erik Scott, 38, was killed July 10, 2010, after brandishing a pistol in front of the Summerlin Costco on a busy Saturday afternoon.

    Scott, a successful medical device salesman and graduate of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, brought controversy to the suburbs.

    “There’s no part of the community that’s immune from this type of situation,” said Cal Potter, an attorney who frequently sues police.

    Scott’s father led an aggressive campaign against the department, paying for billboards, holding vigils and generally casting doubt at the officers who shot his son.

    It helped that Scott was white and his family was wealthy; Cole was poor and black.

    As details about Scott’s shooting slowly filtered out, the public discovered that he had been heavily intoxicated on prescription drugs, armed with two handguns, and hostile to Costco security officers before police were called. After he refused police commands and reached for his holster, three officers shot him seven times."


    LIES AND IRRESPONSIBLE REPORTING ABOUT ERIK and you gun-totin' Constitutionalists should be pissed.

    I'll be covering this article on my radio show tomorrow, June 21.

    It seems the only way to get "justice" is to be killed if you're Black and unarmed. If you're White and/or armed, you're ******. Where was the NRA on this? How utterly disgusting.
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    No need for me to make corrections. We already know what really happened. I'm trying to relax and now you are making me angry...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    No need for me to make corrections. We already know what really happened. I'm trying to relax and now you are making me angry...
    Don't "shoot" the messenger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerLily View Post
    http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/cr...hanging-police

    Did any of you boys see the latest insult to Erik's memory by a jerk so-called reporter by the name Mike Blasky?

    "Erik Scott, 38, was killed July 10, 2010, after brandishing a pistol in front of the Summerlin Costco on a busy Saturday afternoon.

    Scott, a successful medical device salesman and graduate of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, brought controversy to the suburbs.

    “There’s no part of the community that’s immune from this type of situation,” said Cal Potter, an attorney who frequently sues police.

    Scott’s father led an aggressive campaign against the department, paying for billboards, holding vigils and generally casting doubt at the officers who shot his son.

    It helped that Scott was white and his family was wealthy; Cole was poor and black.

    As details about Scott’s shooting slowly filtered out, the public discovered that he had been heavily intoxicated on prescription drugs, armed with two handguns, and hostile to Costco security officers before police were called. After he refused police commands and reached for his holster, three officers shot him seven times."


    LIES AND IRRESPONSIBLE REPORTING ABOUT ERIK and you gun-totin' Constitutionalists should be pissed.

    I'll be covering this article on my radio show tomorrow, June 21.

    It seems the only way to get "justice" is to be killed if you're Black and unarmed. If you're White and/or armed, you're ******. Where was the NRA on this? How utterly disgusting.
    let's not open a can of worms. Not everyone sees him as martyr.
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    Pissed.....can't elaborate.......to much to say...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by punisherprice View Post
    let's not open a can of worms. Not everyone sees him as martyr.
    A martyr? Really? I always thought a martyr was one who chooses death rather than renounce a cause or belief. Who believes Erik CHOSE death?... NO ONE !!!! Erik was certainly a VICTIM of senseless and unprovoked action by police... precipitated by the actions of ignorant and clueless Costco employee(s).

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    Quote Originally Posted by punisherprice View Post
    let's not open a can of worms. Not everyone sees him as martyr.
    That's because of the lies that have been perpetrated by the media. I will expose the lies today at 11am pacific time on http://www.freedomizerradio.com/

    I also contacted the reporter and will share what he had to say to me. You only THINK you're pissed off now. I hope you'll tune in or catch the archive.

    This could happen to anyone of us 2a "gun-lovers." And the media will pounce on whatever the cops tell them. We all know by now that the Supreme Court has ruled that cops are under no obligation to protect. Therefore, they serve and protect their ASSES.

    The coverup was extremely sloppy and I hope some of you will support Bill Scott by reading his book, "The Permit.

    Oh, and btw, Don'tTreadOnMe found a form that reporters sign making them beholding to Metro. So much for "free press." I'll share that as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by punisherprice View Post
    let's not open a can of worms. Not everyone sees him as martyr.
    It IS a 'can of worms.' It is a can that needs opening.


    Unless you want all gun owners to continually be as wary of le action as of criminal action.......
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    The latest insult to Erik Scott's Memory

    I have not yet seen where there is real proof in either direction for this case. Just hear say/he said, she said on both sides of the issue.

    I am certainly more inclined to believe that it was a bad shoot when a corporation like Costco conveniently happens to have a broken camera in just the right location to hide what happened.

    With cops shouting multiple directions at him he may very well have reached for his holster...to disarm himself.

    Reaching for a holster certainly doesn't justify cops shooting.

    Given metro's track record it sure isn't a far cry to believe that their over payed and under trained officers got amped up and shot prematurely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdholmes View Post
    I have not yet seen where there is real proof in either direction for this case. Just hear say/he said, she said on both sides of the issue
    In such a case, morality dictates that we give more weight to the side of the victim, who didn't have all of the resources of the government to promote their side.

    Consider that, of the dozens of witnesses, the few who supported the Costco/LVMPD position stood to gain through their support (either employees of Costco or one who had an application in to join LVMPD). These were the only ones called to testify, making the Coroner's hearing nothing more than a rubber-stamp kangaroo court.

    When you ADD the claim that Costco's surveillance system wasn't working, it just stinks more than a sewage-treatment plant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerLily View Post
    http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/cr...hanging-police

    "Erik Scott, 38, was killed July 10, 2010, after brandishing a pistol in front of the Summerlin Costco on a busy Saturday afternoon.

    "Scott, a successful medical device salesman and graduate of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, brought controversy to the suburbs.

    “There’s no part of the community that’s immune from this type of situation,” said Cal Potter, an attorney who frequently sues police.

    Scott’s father led an aggressive campaign against the department, paying for billboards, holding vigils and generally casting doubt at the officers who shot his son.

    "It helped that Scott was white and his family was wealthy; Cole was poor and black.

    "As details about Scott’s shooting slowly filtered out, the public discovered that he had been heavily intoxicated on prescription drugs, armed with two handguns, and hostile to Costco security officers before police were called. After he refused police commands and reached for his holster, three officers shot him seven times."
    There is a more than healthy does of bias, but I do not see it as any sort of "affront" to Eric Scott or "his memory".

    As is all too common with reportologists, supposition and speculation is presented as fact. Some things were alleged but neither proven nor disproven. Some things are taken out of context and reported as fact when they are unsupported supposition which has been repeated to the point that many are not aware of the foundation fact being used out of context. Others are cleaarly opinion but rather appear to be stated as fact. Others are factually reported but in a negatively biased manner.

    But I do not see any of it as any sort of "affront" to Eric Scott or "his memory".

    I would like to understand how you arrived at that conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    ...But I do not see any of it as any sort of "affront" to Eric Scott or "his memory".

    I would like to understand how you arrived at that conclusion...
    I see a problem with this:
    After he refused police commands and reached for his holster, three officers shot him seven times."
    He was given four commands by four different officers, none of whom took command with a plan; essentially this: "Stop!" "Get on the Ground!" "Hands in the Air!" "Drop the Gun!"

    Apparently, Mr Scott, not thinking things through very well in all the commotion, attempted to comply with the latter.

    The officer that shouted for him to drop the gun was probably the one that did not shoot him for moving toward it.

    To simply say 'He ignored the officers and instead reached for his gun, so they shot him' is a serious injustice of "reporting the facts."
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    ^^ you said he attempted to comply with the last command. that is an assumption. he may have had his own mind made up with how he was going to respond. at the same time...you may be right about that. keep that mindset open. same thing goes for being the officer that did or didnt shoot him. lets remove the bias, otherwise your statement is no better than the news reporting.

    I do however agree the reporters are showing their bias and trying to lead their readers to read things wrong instead of just reporting facts.




    anybody in the right state of mind, would not pull a holstered weapon out at a bunch of officers with guns pointing at them.

    if an officer screamed at me to remove my weapon, I wouldn't just go for it and raise it out. I would have some serious hesitation...as would most of us (I'd hope anyway), and be sure I let them know of my intentions before actually pulling it out.

    I'm sorry to say I believe whatever erik had in his system delayed his ability to think things through before just pulling out that holstered weapon. I do believe if he had a clear state of mind he would have done a thing or two differently.

    I do not agree with Costco's actions whatsoever. no justification there, especially with their exaggerated description to dispatch about scott.

    I consider this an unfortunate incident that could have been avoided, with faults on both parties. Something we can all learn from, by all I mean us and officers.
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    All reports I have read, indicate that the firearm was NEVER unholstered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cjanik View Post
    ^^ you said he attempted to comply with the last command...

    anybody in the right state of mind, would not pull a holstered weapon out at a bunch of officers with guns pointing at them...
    No, I said "apparently..." That makes a difference, so instead of paraphrasing, I'd prefer you quote me.

    I agree that pulling a holstered weapon is a bad idea. I teach my students not to do it, even if told to do so by an idiot cop. Because the cop that tells you to do it probably won't be the one that shoots you for it.

    But it would still be mostly the cops' fault if it happens, not that it will do you much good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerLily View Post
    http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/cr...hanging-police

    Did any of you boys see the latest insult to Erik's memory by a jerk so-called reporter by the name Mike Blasky?

    "Erik Scott, 38, was killed July 10, 2010, after brandishing a pistol in front of the Summerlin Costco on a busy Saturday afternoon.

    Scott, a successful medical device salesman and graduate of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, brought controversy to the suburbs.

    “There’s no part of the community that’s immune from this type of situation,” said Cal Potter, an attorney who frequently sues police.

    Scott’s father led an aggressive campaign against the department, paying for billboards, holding vigils and generally casting doubt at the officers who shot his son.

    It helped that Scott was white and his family was wealthy; Cole was poor and black.

    As details about Scott’s shooting slowly filtered out, the public discovered that he had been heavily intoxicated on prescription drugs, armed with two handguns, and hostile to Costco security officers before police were called. After he refused police commands and reached for his holster, three officers shot him seven times."


    LIES AND IRRESPONSIBLE REPORTING ABOUT ERIK and you gun-totin' Constitutionalists should be pissed.

    I'll be covering this article on my radio show tomorrow, June 21.

    It seems the only way to get "justice" is to be killed if you're Black and unarmed. If you're White and/or armed, you're ******. Where was the NRA on this? How utterly disgusting.
    What I do know is that my brother was hired on at Costco almost a month after the shooting. The people i spoke with were there. He was stealing alcohol and a security guard intervened until he seen Scott's firearm. Everyone was evacuated once that happened because Scott was uncompliant and belligerent. He was in a daze, which happened to be a morphine/xanax induced daze discovered in a toxicology report. He was four times over the lethal limit, so He was either an addict, or juicing himself up for a suicide-by-cop confrontation to ease the idea in his mind. These last two suggestions are just an observation. The rest is FACT. We've been over this before. BUT the shooting is another thing. There was plenty of witnesses that said he didnt pull a gun. There is a lot of fishy stuff though. Like an unregistered handgun being found on his person after the shooting. Unregistered handguns are almost impossible to get, unless youre an LEO. Everyone here knows you NEVER carry a gun while under the influence. Could someone fake a toxicology report. Yeah. But it doesn't help that he was doubling everything the Doc was giving him. That came out of the Dr's mouth during a testimony. So there's a lot of weird stuff going on here. Im not saying he wasn't an average guy who was shot while shopping, but his past is really not helping him out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by punisherprice View Post
    ...He was stealing alcohol ... an unregistered handgun being found on his person after the shooting. Unregistered handguns are almost impossible to get, unless you're an LEO.
    This is the first I've even heard of this stealing or this alcohol thing. Can you please cite this?

    As for unregistered handguns, they are all over the place. If you buy one from someone in any county other than Clark County, it is unregistered until you go register it.

    One of his two handguns was not listed by make/model on his permit to conceal, which was required at that time. I had not heard one was unregistered. Can you verify/cite that as well, please?
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    Quote Originally Posted by punisherprice View Post
    What I do know is that my brother was hired on at Costco almost a month after the shooting. The people i spoke with were there. He was stealing alcohol and a security guard intervened until he seen Scott's firearm.
    IIRC, that's not the story they originally gave. I guess they figured that it would look better.

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    Re: The latest insult to Erik Scott's Memory

    You are misunderstanding the term "lethal limit". A "lethal" dose of opioids can be taken for YEARS before it kills the patient. This is because it takes time to cause lethal damage to the liver. Much like alcohol, you can drink a bottle of champagne over the course of 12 hours every day and eventually you WILL die even though you never even felt the effects of the alcohol. The same can be said for opioids regarding tolerance as well.


    As for speaking to costco employees regarding the incident- do you REALLY expect them to tell the truth? For christs sake thats like asking the police to tell the truth about how they "defended" themselves against a man flushing a bag of weed down the toilet. Like how I brought it back to the original post content?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegaspassat View Post
    You are misunderstanding the term "lethal limit". A "lethal" dose of opioids can be taken for YEARS before it kills the patient...

    As for speaking to costco employees regarding the incident-...
    Excellent points. I didn't know enough about the "lethal limit" to understand how they could testify he had 4X a "lethal dose" yet was able to walk around. Either "lethal dose" meant something weird, or his tolerance was such that it wasn't a lethal dose anymore, in which case without knowing his exact tolerance, we really have no idea what his level of impairment was, if even significant.

    And yeah, "my brother's coworkers" is not a reliable source when it contradicts other sources without further verification. This was a claim to fame. I'll bet a dozen employees claim they saw the whole thing. And part of the story is how no employee did anything wrong.
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    A couple of points. As to the one gun not listed on his card. It means nothing. It could have been on a card he left at home. If you will remember they never took our old cards back, I have a stack of them. I keep one in every car just in case I forget one day. They never said that he didnt have it listed just that it wasnt on the card on him.

    Also I am sure everyone in this town that is a legal gun owner has every single pistol they own registered at metro. Nod nod wink wink.

    And I m also sure not one person in here has ever taken more than the recommended dose of any pain pill.

    I also know as a fact that only one side of this story was ever heard. In my heart and mind metro are killers. And Erik may or may not have reached for his holstered gun. The same gun that was on the ground away from him in his holster still.

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    Assume that These Govt. agents had authority given to them by we the people (however that happens) And that Erick Scott and the Mercenary's who killed him are subject to local and federal laws.

    • What was the Imminent Crime that was being/ or had been committed, that authorized any of the "Lawful orders" that were shouted at Scott?

    Since no officer witnessed what allegedly occurred in the store, according to Nevada Law they would need The store Manager to swear a Citizen complaint, alleging any unlawful behavior, as they do in shoplifting situations.
    According to the "Laws" the Mercenary's are purportedly upholding, they had no authorization to compel Scott to do anything. Much less set up a mobile incident command in an adjacent shopping center. Assume Federal law is a factor lets insert the incident into the SCOTUS decision, "orders shouted at Scott were derived from the facts and circumstances KNOWN to the cops yelling the orders. Circumstances they are certain would persuade a prudent man to believe that A crime had been committed, and Scott had committed the crime.

    CITE: Probable cause exists where "the facts and circumstances within [the arresting officers'] knowledge and of which they had reasonably trustworthy information [are] sufficient in themselves to warrant a man of reasonable caution in the belief that" an offense has been or is being committed. Carroll v. United States, 267 U. S. 132, 162

    The Mercenary's who killed Scott, admitted that the store employee pointed out Scott to them, (admitting they would not have known who Scott was, not to mention they had no personal knowledge of any crime!)

    The fact that the laws formed by the government, did not apply to the government agents is no accident. It is not a one time "hiccup" it is intentional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DON`T TREAD ON ME View Post
    The Mercenary's who killed Scott, admitted that the store employee pointed out Scott to them, (admitting they would not have known who Scott was, not to mention they had no personal knowledge of any crime!).
    Not only that, but Scott was obviously acting in a rational manner (or they would have known it), spiking the original claim by the store that he was irrational and violent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVC View Post
    Not only that, but Scott was obviously acting in a rational manner (or they would have known it), spiking the original claim by the store that he was irrational and violent.
    The reason he was able to handle the amount of painkillers was because because he was an addict. He was used to taking heavy amounts of narcotics. He was supposedly using them for injuries or depression. ( http://federaleagent86.blogspot.com/...y-cop.html?m=1)
    I have not read any reports that went into more details on how he was being belligerent or uncooperative, but he was doing so, that the security guard decided it was out of his pay grade and called the cops. So i guess we can wash out the stealing beer, since i cant find any cites or sources. But it wasnt the first time i heard it either. I also had a different view on the "holstered weapon" because they said he drew but never unholstered his gun. So i was wondering if he had a clip on holster or IWB holster, and in his delusion....ripped off the holster on or in his belt, but failed to separate the gun from holster.

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    The fact that Scott was on painkillers probably saved those cops because it was unknown at the time they had no justification to unload on him. Cops seem to always learn the hard way. In this case, their biggest lesson was to have a plan and have someone actually be in charge so only one person is giving commands to a suspect. Unfortunately, it is usually a regular Joe who dies while the cops learn their lessons.
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