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    Zion Shuttle Service

    Since you cannot drive your car in Zion NP now with their new shuttle service in place for the summer, that creates a question for me.

    I know you can carry in the park, but not in federal facilities...does the shuttle constitute a federal facility with a federal employee working it? And if so would that not negate my ability to carry?


    Also my friend that is coming, as well as myself, don't have CCW's - coming from Nevada. I have a 1911 - from what I understand I just need to not have one in the chamber, right - to make two actions?

    My friend has a revolver which he says has no safeties or hammer - he just pulls the trigger and it fires. How does he create two legal actions before firing?

    Thanks for your help - headed up to camp on Friday.

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    I recently toured Bryce, Zion, Arches, Reef, Canyon Lands NP's with an eye to prohibited locations. The shuttle buses are contracted from a private operator, often based outside the park and AS I RECALL all had gun busters prominent. The only exceptions to marking were the Red buses of Glacier and Yellow buses of Yellowstone.
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    Zion Shuttle Service

    That's not good. I am speaking though of the ones that are inside the park past at Watchman and South campgrounds - are those the same?

    Seems backward for them to say its ok to carry in the park but then deny me the right to use my own vehicle on the roads, forcing me to use the bus of a private company that can disallow carry?

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    Your safety - Firearms

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    Firearms are permitted in Zion National Park. As of February 22, 2010, a new federal law allows people who can legally possess firearms under federal, Utah, and local laws, to possess firearms in the park. It is the visitor's responsibility to understand and comply with all applicable Utah, local, and federal firearm laws. Federal law prohibits firearms in certain facilities in Zion National Park; those places are posted with signs. If you have questions please contact the park at 435-772-3256. The discharge of firearms and hunting within the park are prohibited. Utah State law prohibits the open carry of loaded firearms on park shuttle busses.
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    Zion Shuttle Service

    So drop the mag before I board the shuttle and put it back in but remain unchambered when I get off and I should be good?
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    I'm sorry, I don't know to give advice. The bus owner may have further prohibitions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdholmes View Post
    So drop the mag before I board the shuttle and put it back in but remain unchambered when I get off and I should be good?
    Since it is a Utah State Law that prohibits the loaded firearm on the bus, it would be the Utah State Law definition of "loaded" that would apply. Which means you can keep the full magazine in the gun.

    And since you read that on the NPS website, I am also guessing that it might be misleading and actually not apply when you have a permit (from any state). Did they cite the UCA (Utah Code, Annotated) they are using to say that you can't carry a "loaded" gun on the bus?
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    Zion Shuttle Service

    I am NOT aware of ANY Utah statute prohibiting the carry of a loaded handgun on any shuttle or in state bus. There's one that mandates one have a concealed carry permit. Note that Utah's carry permit ALLOWS concealment; I does not mandate it!

    The OC of handguns on UTA busses, shuttles, and Front Runner Trains are REGULARLY reported on another Utah specific carry forum.


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    Zion Shuttle Service

    FYI - I carried for two days in the park. Had a great time and no problem with the shuttle.

    I did drop my mag because I was unsure, but they didn't even take notice of the fact I was carrying let alone how I was doing so.

    There were no gun buster signs of any kind on the park shuttles.

    Only had a coupe people pay any attention to it.

    One was a European guy who seemed confused as to why I would need to carry a gun.

    The other was a young guy recently out of the army and living in California, talked about how much he needs out of Cali so he can enjoy the same freedoms most US residents can enjoy.
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