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    My Son Exercises his Citizenship

    My Son, John, recently turned twenty-one years of age. As an exercise of Citizenship, we arrived at the Bellingham PD to fill out paperwork and apply for his initial Concealed Pistol License. He does not intend to carry at this time (his prerogative) but the document itself is important. In and out in thirty six minutes.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference .When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." -- George Washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    ... fill out paperwork and apply....
    Exercise of citizenship? Or subjection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Exercise of citizenship? Or subjection?

    Papers? I need no stinking papers !!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Papers? I need no stinking papers !!!!!
    Yes, still I was proud to get mine.

    I have a driver's license as well. Hey, don't we have the right to travel.
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    I know,

    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Papers? I need no stinking papers !!!!!
    But that is the cost of living in the good old USS of A is that we all need papers and permission from Comrade Obama to say or do anything in this country.

    It's the greatest country on earth, remember?!
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    USA may not be perfect, but after my travels to other countries we have it pretty good. We just need to stay vigilant, and not let the few freedoms we do have be eroded anymore. Also we need to keep fighting to regain the ground we have lost. Just remember we could be in NJ, NY, or some other third world shxx hole. Congrats to your son getting a CPL.
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    Re: My Son Exercises his Citizenship

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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    USA may not be perfect, but after my travels to other countries we have it pretty good. We just need to stay vigilant, and not let the few freedoms we do have be eroded anymore. Also we need to keep fighting to regain the ground we have lost. Just remember we could be in NJ, NY, or some other third world shxx hole. Congrats to your son getting a CPL.
    I think that you understood my message, comrade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    But that is the cost of living in the good old USS of A is that we all need papers and permission from Comrade Obama to say or do anything in this country.

    It's the greatest country on earth, remember?!
    Actually, here in WA it's the "State's" permission we need, not that of Obama and his minions (I wonder if any look like the minions in Despicable Me?). They're the ones that issue the CPL's and by the way, driving is not a right. You use any non motorized means you choose so your BASIC right to travel is not denied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyisfalling View Post
    Yes, still I was proud to get mine.

    I have a driver's license as well. Hey, don't we have the right to travel.
    The right to travel we have, however the privilege to drive/operate a motor vehicle is not a right and states require a license.

    I have been arguing "Right to Travel" v A privilege from State for sometime now and my argument falls on deaf ears.

    The second we surrender A Right for a State issued privilege we then become a servant of the state in some way and we also pay fees,,taxes,fines and agree to all the terms the states lay upon us for the so called privilege.

    I prefer to hold on to MY RIGHTS, they can keep there expensive,intrusive license requirements.

    See Kent v Dulles 357 US 116,125

    Schactman v Dulles,96 app dc 287,289

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryclubjoe View Post
    The right to travel we have, however the privilege to drive/operate a motor vehicle is not a right and states require a license.

    I have been arguing "Right to Travel" v A privilege from State for sometime now and my argument falls on deaf ears.

    The second we surrender A Right for a State issued privilege we then become a servant of the state in some way and we also pay fees,,taxes,fines and agree to all the terms the states lay upon us for the so called privilege.

    I prefer to hold on to MY RIGHTS, they can keep there expensive,intrusive license requirements.

    See Kent v Dulles 357 US 116,125

    Schactman v Dulles,96 app dc 287,289

    CCJ

    That's because your argument is false. We have the right to travel by whatever means common that day in age. Try walking down the interstate and see how far you get before you're stop by a man with a badge. You need a license because the State needs revenue and everyone goes along with it.

    http://www.apfn.org/apfn/travel.htm

    "CASE #1: "The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived." Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221.

    CASE #2: "The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579.

    It could not be stated more directly or conclusively that citizens of the states have a common law right to travel, without approval or restriction (license), and that this right is protected under the U.S Constitution.

    CASE #3: "The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment." Kent v. Dulles, 357 US 116, 125.

    CASE #4: "The right to travel is a well-established common right that does not owe its existence to the federal government. It is recognized by the courts as a natural right." Schactman v. Dulles 96 App DC 287, 225 F2d 938, at 941."


    But try and make any of these arguments in a kangaroo court.

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    Start a new thread, "right to travel" is another topic for the social lounge or another forum altogether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    Start a new thread, "right to travel" is another topic for the social lounge or another forum altogether.
    Hey, countryclubjoe started it. So take it up with him for making false arguments.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyras21 View Post
    That's because your argument is false. We have the right to travel by whatever means common that day in age. Try walking down the interstate and see how far you get before you're stop by a man with a badge. You need a license because the State needs revenue and everyone goes along with it.

    http://www.apfn.org/apfn/travel.htm

    "CASE #1: "The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived." Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221.

    CASE #2: "The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579.

    It could not be stated more directly or conclusively that citizens of the states have a common law right to travel, without approval or restriction (license), and that this right is protected under the U.S Constitution.

    CASE #3: "The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment." Kent v. Dulles, 357 US 116, 125.

    CASE #4: "The right to travel is a well-established common right that does not owe its existence to the federal government. It is recognized by the courts as a natural right." Schactman v. Dulles 96 App DC 287, 225 F2d 938, at 941."


    But try and make any of these arguments in a kangaroo court.
    I am an advocate to your side of the issue, not sure why you believed other wise.
    Not lets not hijack the thread and kindly move on.

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    This thread started out as a father, a proud one knowing MSG, letting us know we have another supporter joining our club and it devolved into I do not need a permission slip yada yada yada rather than a celebration of the fact that our membership just grew by one.

    MSG I am glad to hear that he is getting his permit and we have another gun owner in the fight. Give him a pat on the back for me please. We need more young people involved.

    Say hello too your lovely wife for me as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Hayes View Post
    MSG I am glad to hear that he is getting his permit and we have another gun owner in the fight. Give him a pat on the back for me please. We need more young people involved.

    Say hello too your lovely wife for me as well.
    Jeff
    Why thank you Jeff.
    The point was that we have another gun in the fight. He supported us before age 21, now he has let his government know he is supporting us. You are correct, Jeff, we need more YOUNG people involved and educated.
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