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    Exclamation Independence Day message for flag-waving statist lemmings

    Fool covered in red, white, and blue: "This country is great because it has granted us so many rights in comparison to what other countries have granted their citizens!"

    Truth: Governments don't grant rights. Rights are pre-existing, natural, inherent properties of being human (if you're a theist, you may claim that they come from your deity). Some governments have had periods of doing a relatively respectable job respecting these rights, but the U.S. government, for the last several decades has done a piss poor job respecting these rights. Furthermore, blind submission to a symbol of authority (e.g., the flag of any particular government), is antithetical to the spirit of liberty. It is very ironic that worshippers of such an allegedly free country so drastically undermine their own point.
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    A libertarian blogged recently about the irony of millions enduring gate-rape at airports today while enroute to celebrate freedom.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Do you ever tire of your banalities?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    A libertarian blogged recently about the irony of millions enduring gate-rape at airports today while enroute to celebrate freedom.
    Indeed, along with DUI check points, back pack inspections at parks. etc.

    The cost today alone to the tax payers could feed the nations poor for a year or more.

    All in the name of security and public safety. Our rights are being slowly stripped each and everyday.

    The problem is that 80% of the citizens 14 years old and older have zero clue about what Independence Day actually represents. Nor do they care to know, and that my friends is a sad commentary for future Independence Days and the state of our country.

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    Facts tend to be unoriginal. Kinda makes them banal, but no less true.

    In this thread, that fact was kinda in need of stating. That it was brushed off as a banality illustrates that it warranted posting.

    We celebrate our throwing off of a government and the God-given (or natural, if you prefer) Right of the People to consent to a government or to withdraw that consent. God bless the men with the stones to withdraw that consent.

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    Independence Day IRONY abounds

    Independence Day IRONY abounds

    Now the local po-po*** is surrounding his crib, wanting to inspect the premises. Without a warrant. In the suburbs of Boston. On Independence Day.

    http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot...part-deux.html
    July 5, 2013

    Tennessee State Trooper AJ Ross orders me to pull over and get out of my car, bullies me around, gets the drug sniffing K-9, lies about me having “Illegal Drugs” in the car, searches without consent, and tells me that it is ok to take away my freedom.

    All while not being detained. All this harassment because my window was not lowered enough to his preference. I broke no laws whatsoever. All of this on a day that we are supposed to be celebrating freedom and liberty. This checkpoint was in Murfreesboro, TN.

    http://www.youtube.com/v/w-WMn_zHCVo?hl=en_GB&version=3

    http://www.infowars.com/constitution...ly-checkpoint/
    A Song of Peace: art101.com http://www.art101.com/peace/peace.mp3

    THIS IS MY SONG

    This is my song, O God of all the nations,
    A song of peace for lands afar and mine.
    This is my home, the country where my heart is;
    Here are my hopes, my dreams, my holy shrine;
    But other hearts in other lands are beating
    With hopes and dreams as true and high as mine.

    My country's skies are bluer than the ocean,
    And sunlight beams on clover-leaf and pine.
    But other lands have sunlight too and clover,
    And skies are everywhere as blue as mine.
    Oh, hear my song, O God of all the nations,
    A song of peace for their land and for mine.

    My country, 'tis of thee,
    Sweet land of liberty,
    Of thee I sing.
    Land where my fathers died,
    Land of the pilgrims' pride,
    From every mountainside,
    A song of peace.
    I am responsible for my writing, not your understanding of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minarchist View Post
    Fool covered in red, white, and blue: "This country is great because it has granted us so many rights in comparison to what other countries have granted their citizens!"

    Truth: Governments don't grant rights. Rights are pre-existing, natural, inherent properties of being human (if you're a theist, you may claim that they come from your deity). Some governments have had periods of doing a relatively respectable job respecting these rights, but the U.S. government, for the last several decades has done a piss poor job respecting these rights. Furthermore, blind submission to a symbol of authority (e.g., the flag of any particular government), is antithetical to the spirit of liberty. It is very ironic that worshipers of such an allegedly free country so drastically undermine their own point.
    Your pedantery is showing.

    While the "Fool" may not be as "up" on the source of his rights as you, he does get the important point, America is the best country to live over any other country. The evidence to confirm my claim that America is the best country to live in is that you seem to continue to live in America.

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    None dare call it terrorism. Ordinances[sic] fired into crowd. PD Cdr. S. Shannon

    " Police were investigating what led to the explosion, but said early indications show a platform designed and built to hold the fireworks gave way. "For some unknown reasons the structure that holds these ordinances collapsed and caused them to be firing into the crowd," said Simi Valley police Cmdr. Stephanie Shannon." http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130705/DA7B9J800.html

    The word is ordnance(s), military equipment, especially weapons and ammunition. The paramilitarization stinks deeply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    " Police were investigating what led to the explosion, but said early indications show a platform designed and built to hold the fireworks gave way. "For some unknown reasons the structure that holds these ordinances collapsed and caused them to be firing into the crowd," said Simi Valley police Cmdr. Stephanie Shannon." http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130705/DA7B9J800.html

    The word is ordnance(s), military equipment, especially weapons and ammunition. The paramilitarization stinks deeply.
    Off topic.

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    Independence Day message for flag-waving statist lemmings

    But we now know that he is more knowledgable than we.


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    Independence Day IRONY abounds. Bart Hinkle: Commit any felonies lately?

    Elizabeth Daly went to jail over a case of bottled water.

    They are, however, part and parcel of two broader phenomena. One is the militarization of domestic law enforcement. In recent years, police departments have widely adopted military tactics, military equipment (armored personnel carriers, flash-bang grenades) — and, sometimes, the mindset of military conquerors rather than domestic peacekeepers.
    http://www.timesdispatch.com/opinion...1b1f2cdc0.html Times Dispatch of Richmond, Virginia

    The other phenomenon is the increasing degree to which civilians are subject to criminal prosecution for noncriminal acts, including exercising the constitutionally protected right to free speech.
    Last week, A.J. Marin was arrested in Harrisburg, Pa., for writing in chalk on the sidewalk. Marin was participating in a health care demonstration outside Gov. Tom Corbett’s residence when he wrote, “Governor Corbett has health insurance, we should too.” Authorities charged Marin with writing “a derogatory remark about the governor on the sidewalk.” The horror.
    Federal prosecutors also recently used an anti-terrorism measure to seize almost $70,000 from the owners of a Maryland dairy. Randy and Karen Sowers had made several bank deposits of just under $10,000 to avoid the headache of filing federal reports required for sums over that amount. The feds charged them with unlawful “structuring.” Last week, they settled the case. Authorities kept half their money to teach them a lesson.
    civil seizure, I'm sure.

    As The Wall Street Journal has reported, lawmakers in Washington have greatly eroded the notion of mens rea — the principle that you need criminal intent in order to commit a crime. Thanks to a proliferating number of obscure offenses, Americans now resemble the condemned souls in Jonathan Edwards’ “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God” — spared from perdition only by the temporary forbearance of those who sit in judgment
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Independence Day IRONY abounds





    A Song of Peace: art101.com http://www.art101.com/peace/peace.mp3

    THIS IS MY SONG

    This is my song, O God of all the nations,
    A song of peace for lands afar and mine.
    This is my home, the country where my heart is;
    Here are my hopes, my dreams, my holy shrine;
    But other hearts in other lands are beating
    With hopes and dreams as true and high as mine.

    My country's skies are bluer than the ocean,
    And sunlight beams on clover-leaf and pine.
    But other lands have sunlight too and clover,
    And skies are everywhere as blue as mine.
    Oh, hear my song, O God of all the nations,
    A song of peace for their land and for mine.

    My country, 'tis of thee,
    Sweet land of liberty,
    Of thee I sing.
    Land where my fathers died,
    Land of the pilgrims' pride,
    From every mountainside,
    A song of peace.
    Hi Nightmare

    Good job. Are you planning a civil action?

    Best regards.

    CCJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Your pedantery is showing.

    While the "Fool" may not be as "up" on the source of his rights as you, he does get the important point, America is the best country to live over any other country. The evidence to confirm my claim that America is the best country to live in is that you seem to continue to live in America.
    Are we the best just because the rest are just a little more worse than we are?

    We could be great, let's stop jingoism and nationalism and recognize were we suck and work at bettering that.
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    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Are we the best just because the rest are just a little more worse than we are?

    We could be great, let's stop jingoism and nationalism and recognize were we suck and work at bettering that.
    We are the best country to live in by any reasonable measure even with our faults. Blaming America for our ills is like blaming the flat tire for driving over the nail.

    Find another country that is better and then we can discuss why America sucks, I'll wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    We are the best country to live in by any reasonable measure even with our faults. Blaming America for our ills is like blaming the flat tire for driving over the nail.

    Find another country that is better and then we can discuss why America sucks, I'll wait.
    There may be a better country there may not be that doesn't matter.

    I don't blame America, I blame the government. I get along with people fairly well.

    The point is we have deteriorated greatly, the limitations of the consitution means nothing to the fed gov. so compared to what our government can be it is crap, just because it's crap is the best smelling crap still doesn't make it something other than crap.

    How do we stop this?, one way is to stop nationalistic jingoism, hiding the ills of our country behind....well it's still better than the others.

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    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    I hope that you are not saying that the Liberty situation in Canada and Australia are better than in the US.

    This from a guy who chooses to continue to live in California!

    Here's a thought: Leave California and move to America.

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    Oh, and the cartoon up there is kinda stupid. The system in the cartoon wasn't "the best there is," at its time or any other.

    Ours is. At least to people who love Liberty.

    We have flaws. Serious ones. Work to fix them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Oh, and the cartoon up there is kinda stupid. The system in the cartoon wasn't "the best there is," at its time or any other.

    Ours is. At least to people who love Liberty.

    We have flaws. Serious ones. Work to fix them.
    LOL.....Did they in the cartoon know there was a better system? The intention of my posting it was they believed their system to be the best, they were probably just as jingoistic as those who refuse to accept our system isn't the best not in the fact that it may be better in some aspects to other "systems" but it isn't the best the system in the fact that is has those serious flaws.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    I love my country. I served, as the Code of Conduct states it, "in the forces that guard our country and our way of life."

    That said, I absolutely despise what our government, at almost all levels, has become. I believe that rattling noise you hear on days like Memorial Day, Independence Day, and Armistice Day (Veterans' Day) is the sound of those who gave all to protect what our Founding Fathers gave us rolling over violently in their graves.

    We have been beset by office holders at many levels, and especially at the highest level, who are, if not Marxist, outright Socialists. We have masses who have made government handouts a way of life. Those who are supposed to be "peace officers" have adopted military equipment, tactics, and organizational structure.

    One here mentioned living in China. I did for two months. While there, I attended a church service. Those in attendance were almost terrorized at the thought that the police might raid them at any time. Yes, it is an ancient and beautiful country. No, I would not want to live there. I've lived in countries from Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa. In none of them could I say what I thought of the government there without being subject to arrest. In none of them could I strap on a pistol and walk down the street. In one of them, I could not even worship my Creator openly without fear of arrest.

    I'm an old man and, try as I might, I can't bring about a whole lot of change by myself. What I would love to know is what you younger men and women are doing to change what our government has become. Are you voting? Are you volunteering in the campaigns of those who would support the type of government we should have? Are you running for office yourself?

    If you are doing none of these things, then you need to sit down and shut up because you, and others before you, have allowed our government to become what it is now by your inaction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    There may be a better country there may not be that doesn't matter.

    I don't blame America, I blame the government. I get along with people fairly well.

    The point is we have deteriorated greatly, the limitations of the consitution means nothing to the fed gov. so compared to what our government can be it is crap, just because it's crap is the best smelling crap still doesn't make it something other than crap.

    How do we stop this?, one way is to stop nationalistic jingoism, hiding the ills of our country behind....well it's still better than the others. <snip>
    Misleading cartoon. It depicts a religious ceremony not their system of governance.

    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired View Post
    I love my country. I served, as the Code of Conduct states it, "in the forces that guard our country and our way of life."

    That said, I absolutely despise what our government, at almost all levels, has become. I believe that rattling noise you hear on days like Memorial Day, Independence Day, and Armistice Day (Veterans' Day) is the sound of those who gave all to protect what our Founding Fathers gave us rolling over violently in their graves.

    We have been beset by office holders at many levels, and especially at the highest level, who are, if not Marxist, outright Socialists. We have masses who have made government handouts a way of life. Those who are supposed to be "peace officers" have adopted military equipment, tactics, and organizational structure.

    One here mentioned living in China. I did for two months. While there, I attended a church service. Those in attendance were almost terrorized at the thought that the police might raid them at any time. Yes, it is an ancient and beautiful country. No, I would not want to live there. I've lived in countries from Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa. In none of them could I say what I thought of the government there without being subject to arrest. In none of them could I strap on a pistol and walk down the street. In one of them, I could not even worship my Creator openly without fear of arrest.

    I'm an old man and, try as I might, I can't bring about a whole lot of change by myself. What I would love to know is what you younger men and women are doing to change what our government has become. Are you voting? Are you volunteering in the campaigns of those who would support the type of government we should have? Are you running for office yourself?

    If you are doing none of these things, then you need to sit down and shut up because you, and others before you, have allowed our government to become what it is now by your inaction.
    Bravo Sir. Well stated.

    I too am past the age of being able to keep up in the game of politics. I must resort to "back yard" conversations, picnic "lectures", e-mails, phone calls. Lastly, I vote for liberty.

    I teach my children that liberty is their birthright and have them read the documents that enumerate them. I teach them that the law of the land must be respected, and that individual liberty means not infringing upon your neighbors liberties.

    I teach them that God gave us these liberties because he deemed it important that we be born into this word. It is import for my children to understand and appreciate that they are very fortunate to have been given these gifts by God and that they must work very hard to keep them.

    Will they do as I have taught? I certainly hope so. All i can do is impart knowledge and expose them to my experiences. The rest is up to them. If I have done my job as a father my sons will/should be good shepherds of our liberties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Misleading cartoon. It depicts a religious ceremony not their system of governance.
    Maybe, but think about who the rulers were and what the law was......
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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