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    Wally world teams up with maig

    WAL-MART AND MAYORS AGAINST ILLEGAL GUNS ANNOUNCE "RESPONSIBLE FIREARMS RETAILER PARTNERSHIP": A 10-POINT VOLUNTARY CODE

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    http://mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/...pr007-08.shtml

    Was this ever really started? Another good reason to not shop Wally World.

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    Walmart and Sam's Club are OC-friendly.

    Considering the minor little detail that all guns sold at Wally World ALREADY have had to do the background check, I doubt that this other thing is any more than window dressing.

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    I would buy a gun from wal mart tomorrow without concern, I think that it is fine for them to video in their store, and submit to their employees to background checks. If I go to a retailer that does not follow BATFE protocol, I take the chance of getting my new firearm confiscated as evidence.

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    Despite how some of you feel about Wally World store policy, that really is not my point as to whether they have their own standards within their stores. My point is they have teamed up with MAIG!!! Would it bother you if they teamed up with the Brady Bunch to make Wally World policy? I don't see the difference.

    From a personal level it means little to me as i don't (won't) shop there anyway. I think it's great they honor OC but I don't like a lot other things about them and teaming up with Bloomberg puts them over the top for me.

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    I teamed up with the "Brady Bunch" too We held one of their candlelight vigils at Fremont street. We talked to hundreds of people and campaigned against gun violence while OC'ing. They gave progress Now Nevada my name they were so impressed with our turnout. I do not believe that it was negative for us to do that. Why punish the country's biggest gun retailer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DON`T TREAD ON ME View Post
    I teamed up with the "Brady Bunch" too We held one of their candlelight vigils at Fremont street. We talked to hundreds of people and campaigned against gun violence while OC'ing. They gave progress Now Nevada my name they were so impressed with our turnout. I do not believe that it was negative for us to do that. Why punish the country's biggest gun retailer?
    We'll just have to agree to seriously disagree on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Guy View Post
    Despite how some of you feel about Wally World store policy, that really is not my point as to whether they have their own standards within their stores. My point is they have teamed up with MAIG!!! Would it bother you if they teamed up with the Brady Bunch to make Wally World policy? I don't see the difference.

    From a personal level it means little to me as i don't (won't) shop there anyway. I think it's great they honor OC but I don't like a lot other things about them and teaming up with Bloomberg puts them over the top for me.

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    I don't see how they have done anything to infringe on my civil rights. They are telling MAIG that they will take extra steps INTERNALLY to increase their level of compliance with gun laws, but nothing they're doing actually has any effect whatsoever. After all, they're ALREADY video recording everything that happens in the store, and that's the only thing that directly touches the customer.

    As far as teaming up with MAIG, so what? It's just lip service, until they actually DO something -- and they're not likely to do that. Remember, MAIG is nothing but a handful of Fascists blowing a lot of hot air, while Walmart is one of the biggest corporations in the world. MAIG has no leverage, and 100,000,000 American gun owners DO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVC View Post
    I don't see how they have done anything to infringe on my civil rights. They are telling MAIG that they will take extra steps INTERNALLY to increase their level of compliance with gun laws, but nothing they're doing actually has any effect whatsoever. After all, they're ALREADY video recording everything that happens in the store, and that's the only thing that directly touches the customer.

    As far as teaming up with MAIG, so what? It's just lip service, until they actually DO something -- and they're not likely to do that. Remember, MAIG is nothing but a handful of Fascists blowing a lot of hot air, while Walmart is one of the biggest corporations in the world. MAIG has no leverage, and 100,000,000 American gun owners DO.
    Agree. I don't care what a retailer "SAYS", I care what a retailer "DOES". I hold them to the same standards as I do my friends, enemies and politicians. Oops. Those last two were redundant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAVYBLUE View Post
    Agree. I don't care what a retailer "SAYS", I care what a retailer "DOES". I hold them to the same standards as I do my friends, enemies and politicians. Oops. Those last two were redundant.

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    This is the last I will say on this subject. Words have meaning. The act of saying (by the worlds largest retailer) something has a causal effect. Their words give aid and comfort to my enemy (MAIG). Is their purpose to be all things to all people, perhaps. Shop there if you think they are a friend of liberty. For me, I don't buy it. To me they are part of the fascist state. (Fascism = a marriage of state & corporation)

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    and 100,000,000 American gun owners DO.[/QUOTE]
    Yes 100,000,000 gun owners do have leverage. That's why we all need to email/call Walmart and voice our disapproval. If even a fraction of the American gun owners did this, Walmart would soon be singing a different tune.

    I choose to support my husband on this issue. We've not shopped at Walmart for a long time for a myriad of reasons. By joining with MAIG, Walmart now stands in direct opposition of what this forum is all about. You know that MAIG will not just stop at "assault" rifles. They want to see all citizens disarmed.

    Why would you want to shop at Walmart and not the local gun shops? By shopping at our local gun shops, we are keeping the money here in Nevada and we are supporting the second amendment. By shopping at Walmart, you are basically sending your money to MAIG. Also by joining with mayors, they are also "buying" political influence. When they build a new store, who gives the permits, etc. that they'll need.....the mayors and city councils. Please people, look beyond your convenience and see the big picture.

    For all other goods, try shopping at Winco. Their prices are usually better and they are also gun friendly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DON`T TREAD ON ME View Post
    I teamed up with the "Brady Bunch" too We held one of their candlelight vigils at Fremont street. We talked to hundreds of people and campaigned against gun violence while OC'ing. They gave progress Now Nevada my name they were so impressed with our turnout. I do not believe that it was negative for us to do that. Why punish the country's biggest gun retailer?
    And all the gun violence disappeared....

    Why punish? That's not the question to ask ... the question is why not? I see no reason not to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    And all the gun violence disappeared....
    What does that mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigguyswife View Post
    Why would you want to shop at Walmart and not the local gun shops?
    The milk is fresher at Walmart than at the nearest gun shop. Walmart is also about 8 miles closer.

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    I cannot find a press release issued by Wal-Mart on this topic, only the MAIG-issued item.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbogo470 View Post
    I cannot find a press release issued by Wal-Mart on this topic, only the MAIG-issued item.

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    Being it goes back 5 years it does not surprise me.

    It was reported on another forum that the MAIG bus was parked in the Wally parking lot Sunset/Marks yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVC View Post
    The milk is fresher at Walmart than at the nearest gun shop. Walmart is also about 8 miles closer.
    I guess the real question is: Do you want convenience or your rights? My guess is that it will only be a matter of time before Walmart cowtows to the political pressure and stops selling guns and ammunition. K-mart did. Even Dick's stopped selling automatic rifles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigguyswife View Post
    ... it will only be a matter of time before Walmart cowtows to the political pressure and stops selling guns and ammunition. K-mart did. ...
    I believe this to be true. K-Mart owned Sports Authority, too, and that was a great place to get guns until they just stopped selling them. I worked their gun counter back when they did guns. That was right after I got out of the Navy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigguyswife View Post
    I guess the real question is: Do you want convenience or your rights? My guess is that it will only be a matter of time before Walmart cowtows to the political pressure and stops selling guns and ammunition. K-mart did. Even Dick's stopped selling automatic rifles.

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    Please make up your mind -- should I buy guns and ammo at the local gun shop, or should it matter to me if Walmart stops selling guns and ammo . . ?

    As I said earlier, so far I haven't seen any sign that they're doing this. If that day arrives, I'll deal with it then. Until that day, I can OC and Walmart and Sam's Club, which is something that I can't do at Costco.

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    I think Kmart had financial issues, didn't the almost go out of business? That could have had more to do with them dropping the firearms than "pressure" if walmart is making money great. that is what the USA is all about right.

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    [QUOTE=DVC;1958375]Please make up your mind -- should I buy guns and ammo at the local gun shop, or should it matter to me if Walmart stops selling guns and ammo . . ?

    I have made up my mind...I'm not shopping at Walmart. Yes they are open carry friendly-for now. With enough pressure from the groups like MAIG, they'll cave.

    There are many other place besides Costco to shop. All the grocery stores especially Winco allow open carry.

    As for the comment about Kmart-they quit selling guns long before their financial issues. If memory serves, it was Rosie O'Donnell who started the boycott against Kmart. It only took them days to succomb to the pressure.

    All I'm saying is if you want to shop at Wal-mart fine, shop there but at least let them know that you aren't happy with the new policy and that you'll be looking at other places to buy some of your necessities. If enough gun owners called/emailed them they would drop the new policy but your money speaks alot louder than your mouth.

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    There are several different version of why, here are a couple:

    http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/kmart.html

    http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-299156.html

    While there is a little wiggle room, I found that most if not all had at least a reference to the anti gun zealots. I learn something every day.

    It looks like the odd couple Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell were in fact involved!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigguyswife View Post
    I have made up my mind...I'm not shopping at Walmart. Yes they are open carry friendly-for now. With enough pressure from the groups like MAIG, they'll cave.
    The way to make this prediction come true is for gun owners to stop shopping at Walmart. Every one of us who OCs there is a silent demonstration that we are here, we are their customers, and that we use our civil rights.

    Contrast that to a letter that they get from a group with a handful of members, most of whom are already boycotting Walmart because they're non-union.

    Who do you think has more power?

    All I'm saying is if you want to shop at Wal-mart fine, shop there but at least let them know that you aren't happy with the new policy and that you'll be looking at other places to buy some of your necessities. If enough gun owners called/emailed them they would drop the new policy but your money speaks alot louder than your mouth.
    This "new" policy has been in place for half a decade. So far, I haven't heard anyone even mention it until now.

    If there is actually some EFFECT of this policy, then it's worth complaining to the management, but until then, all I see is that Wally World gave the hoplophobes a little lip service to get them to shut up and go away.

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    If everybody stops buying guns and ammo at Walmart, sooner or later Walmart will stop selling guns and ammo. Duhhhhhhhhh

    KMart never did stock the amount of guns and ammo that Walmart does. KMart years ago used to sell handguns, but most people back then got their guns from the LGS or the hardware store, or Sears. Guns and ammo is about 15% profit margin. Grocery items are about 15% profit margin, electronics and clothing are over 100% profit margin. Do the math.

    Guns, ammo, and groceries are there to get people into the store to buy high profit margin items. Walmart figured this out a long time ago, KMart tried the same strategy and failed. Walmart just did it better and cheaper than KMart. KMart was struggling, so the logical thing to do is eliminate items that are of low margin to use shelf space for higher profit margin items. At the cost of losing some business, Walmart was happy to take that small amount of business from them. Also keep in mind that department stores are paid for sku space by most vendors, not sure about gun manufacturers. Coke and Pepsi pump millions of dollars just in paying for space.

    I highly doubt Walmart will stop selling guns and ammo, or groceries.
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    Circuit City went hooves-up because all they carried were electronics -- the high profit margin only works when you get people into the store.

    Over the 20 years that I've been going to Walmart, I've seen the tool and auto-parts selections shrink, but they've INCREASED the gun stuff, so either they're using it as bait to get you in the doors, or they're making enough money to make it worthwhile -- and thus are unlikely to get rid of it, as long as people keep buying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVC View Post
    Circuit City went hooves-up because all they carried were electronics -- the high profit margin only works when you get people into the store.

    Over the 20 years that I've been going to Walmart, I've seen the tool and auto-parts selections shrink, but they've INCREASED the gun stuff, so either they're using it as bait to get you in the doors, or they're making enough money to make it worthwhile -- and thus are unlikely to get rid of it, as long as people keep buying.
    Walmart tried to hire me as a manager for the grocery part of the business about 15 years ago. I asked them why the addition of grocery, knowing full well how many food chains have crumpled. They want the foot traffic in the store, sections in Wally World have become smaller and electronics has exploded in the stores. They no longer have fabrics, and many things the smaller stores used to carry. I would imagine that every item is gone over with some type of app and the market whizzes to decide what goes and stays.

    Guns to not even have to sell to achieve their goal, just the looky loos are enough to make it worth while. They will pass on the AR to buy a sexy nighty for the Mrs. Or some new jeans, or a new flat screen tv. Guns are one of those items that attract customers without ever leaving the store. Young teens and children will go to the counter to just stare at the shiny toys, they are future customers.

    When I worked for coca cola industries in sales we would pass out free drinks every where we went. I never was without a full iced cooler of products. The idea was simple, indoctrinate the public, especially the young. We bought score boards for schools, provided free drinks for concessions for sporting events. I later worked for Snapple and Gatorade doing the same thing, giving away freebees to entice product loyalty.
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