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    Spokane City Counsel Meeting July 8th

    On Monday night Spokane City Counsel will vote on a new law to bring the City into compliance with state law RCW 9.41.0290. Currently it is unlawful to carry a firearm at the Spokane Arena, Joe Albi Stadium, INB and the Spokane Convention Center. Before everyone gets started I know it is preempted and the law is not worth the ink used to write. This has been a year long process to get this done lots of feet dragging and putting stuff off as long as possible. But with steady pressure for Hadji, Fetch and a few others finally got it done.

    The last thing we need is a show of support by attending the City Counsel meeting Monday night at 6 PM, we only need to be there long enough for the vote as soon as that is done we can leave. Two weeks ago they asked for the supporters of another law to stand up more than half in attendance stood up this makes a big difference.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Hayes View Post
    On Monday night Spokane City Counsel will vote on a new law to bring the City into compliance with state law RCW 9.41.0290. Currently it is unlawful to carry a firearm at the Spokane Arena, Joe Albi Stadium, INB and the Spokane Convention Center. Before everyone gets started I know it is preempted and the law is not worth the ink used to write. This has been a year long process to get this done lots of feet dragging and putting stuff off as long as possible. But with steady pressure for Hadji, Fetch and a few others finally got it done.

    The last thing we need is a show of support by attending the City Counsel meeting Monday night at 6 PM, we only need to be there long enough for the vote as soon as that is done we can leave. Two weeks ago they asked for the supporters of another law to stand up more than half in attendance stood up this makes a big difference.


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    And be sure to OC when you attend. Did that at the Tonasket city council meeting. The changes haven't been posted as of last time I looked for Tonasket code online, but their 9.22, 9.24, and 9.50 have been actually changed. 9.22 does not exist any more, the others have been modified to comply with RCW 9.41.300.

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    The Spokane Public Facilities District has been notified.
    I believe a representative plans to attend.

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    I tried to find this as an agenda item for the City Council meeting, no luck

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Hayes View Post
    On Monday night Spokane City Counsel will vote on a new law to bring the City into compliance with state law RCW 9.41.0290. Currently it is unlawful to carry a firearm at the Spokane Arena, Joe Albi Stadium, INB and the Spokane Convention Center. Before everyone gets started I know it is preempted and the law is not worth the ink used to write. This has been a year long process to get this done lots of feet dragging and putting stuff off as long as possible. But with steady pressure for Hadji, Fetch and a few others finally got it done.

    The last thing we need is a show of support by attending the City Counsel meeting Monday night at 6 PM, we only need to be there long enough for the vote as soon as that is done we can leave. Two weeks ago they asked for the supporters of another law to stand up more than half in attendance stood up this makes a big difference.


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    Is this on an agenda somewhere? I could not find it. There should be an official announcement someplace.

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    http://www.spokanecity.org/government/citycouncil/

    Left side of the page, "Current agenda packets", select July 8th, download the pdf, search for "10.10.050".

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
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    Dean I know my spell checker does not like Council and changes it to Counsel and sometimes I forget to change it back when I am done typing, honest I know the difference. Other than this one glitch it works great. And I see I spelled it wrong anyway, corrected now thanks.
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    July 8th. City Council Meeting

    The Spokesman Review has an interesting write up, and has it almost completely wrong,

    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...ban-in-public/

    I do hope a lot of people show up OC. I will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fetch View Post
    The Spokesman Review has an interesting write up, and has it almost completely wrong,

    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...ban-in-public/

    I do hope a lot of people show up OC. I will.
    Huh? I know the spokesman review would love to put a liberal spin on this, but it would be interesting to see the actually proposed changes in the code. Don't you think? It would be very possible that the ordinance COULD require all contracts for city facilities to third parties to have a "no firearms" clause, but there is no reasonable reason to do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    Huh? I know the spokesman review would love to put a liberal spin on this, but it would be interesting to see the actually proposed changes in the code. Don't you think? It would be very possible that the ordinance COULD require all contracts for city facilities to third parties to have a "no firearms" clause, but there is no reasonable reason to do this.
    I assure you, that is certainly not the case.

    On 06-25-2013, at 08:07pm, I posted the entire text of the ordinance in another thread:
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...f-Hayes/page10
    Please go back and read it; it will not take long.

    That is the text that was read at the first reading during the June 24th Council meeting.
    It cannot be changed without restarting the process.


    fetch is correct; take almost every statement that Nick made, and 'negate' it.
    For one example, this statement:
    "Among other things, the ban clarifies that even handguns carried by individuals with concealed pistol permits are prohibited."
    is not true. In fact, the ordinance notes that the exception stated in RCW 9.41.300 applies, which most definately allows
    carry in public facilities, if the carrier has a CPL.

    Compare the text of the ordinance with Nick's article, and determine for yourself if he got any of it right.

    hadji

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    Quote Originally Posted by hadji View Post
    I assure you, that is certainly not the case.

    On 06-25-2013, at 08:07pm, I posted the entire text of the ordinance in another thread:
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...f-Hayes/page10
    Please go back and read it; it will not take long.

    That is the text that was read at the first reading during the June 24th Council meeting.
    It cannot be changed without restarting the process.


    fetch is correct; take almost every statement that Nick made, and 'negate' it.
    For one example, this statement:
    "Among other things, the ban clarifies that even handguns carried by individuals with concealed pistol permits are prohibited."
    is not true. In fact, the ordinance notes that the exception stated in RCW 9.41.300 applies, which most definately allows
    carry in public facilities, if the carrier has a CPL.

    Compare the text of the ordinance with Nick's article, and determine for yourself if he got any of it right.

    hadji
    Not much of what Nick wrote is correct nor anything that Mr. Twohig said assuming it was reported correctly.
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    Jeff,
    Bring some pamphlets to hand out. I only have a few.
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fetch View Post
    Jeff,
    Bring some pamphlets to hand out. I only have a few.
    Thanks.
    I will bring you some.
    Throw me to the wolves and I will come back leading the pack.

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    Current indications are that a large, quiet attendance is in order.

    Probably no need to speak, but if you are so inclined,
    be ready to stand to show support for this ordinance.

    The meeting starts at 6pm.

    hadji
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    Good luck. If it is streamed live then please post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badkarma View Post
    Good luck. If it is streamed live then please post.
    http://www.spokanecity.org/services/...treamingmedia/
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    My head hurts after reading that article and listening to some of these people at the council meeting.... I did like how Dale responded during public testimony, I just find it hilarious that everyone thinks that this making it more restrictive when it is in fact lining up SMC resolving that PFD MUST FOLLOW STATE LAW, which states that anyone with a CPL is EXEMPT it cannot be any clearer in state law! I also would love to see the looks on their faces when they realize that the PFD cannot put restrictions on the PUBLIC, and that people don't realize that EVEN when the facility is leased out (like the Chiefs games) that it is still NOT ILLEGAL to carry at those events even if it may against the "rules"....... Why don't people get that? Either way looks like it just passed. On to the next step! Thanks to Hadji, Jeff and Fetch and others involved in getting this housekeeping portion taken care of!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor80 View Post
    My head hurts after reading that article and listening to some of these people at the council meeting.... I did like how Dale responded during public testimony, I just find it hilarious that everyone thinks that this making it more restrictive when it is in fact lining up SMC resolving that PFD MUST FOLLOW STATE LAW, which states that anyone with a CPL is EXEMPT it cannot be any clearer in state law! I also would love to see the looks on their faces when they realize that the PFD cannot put restrictions on the PUBLIC, and that people don't realize that EVEN when the facility is leased out (like the Chiefs games) that it is still NOT ILLEGAL to carry at those events even if it may against the "rules"....... Why don't people get that? Either way looks like it just passed. On to the next step! Thanks to Hadji, Jeff and Fetch and others involved in getting this housekeeping portion taken care of!

    -Thor
    Yes it passed and the vote was unanimous, when they all realized that they had to comply with state law it was all over. Seven of us showed up 3 of us were OC not a word said although the SPD officer sat immediately behind us through out the entire meeting but that is usually were he sit at every meeting.

    Onward to step two where we will need some financial support at some point in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor80 View Post
    Thanks to Hadji, Jeff and Fetch and others involved in getting this housekeeping portion taken care of!

    -Thor

    You are welcome.

    As it turned out, I did not need to speak at last night's council meeting,
    as others more capable than I were already on the list.


    My good friend, Jonny Quest, called, and I am afraid our services are needed elsewhere.

    I am sure that others will take up the cause, working through the next step.

    Namaste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor80 View Post
    My head hurts after reading that article and listening to some of these people at the council meeting.... I did like how Dale responded during public testimony, I just find it hilarious that everyone thinks that this making it more restrictive when it is in fact lining up SMC resolving that PFD MUST FOLLOW STATE LAW, which states that anyone with a CPL is EXEMPT it cannot be any clearer in state law! I also would love to see the looks on their faces when they realize that the PFD cannot put restrictions on the PUBLIC, and that people don't realize that EVEN when the facility is leased out (like the Chiefs games) that it is still NOT ILLEGAL to carry at those events even if it may against the "rules"....... Why don't people get that? Either way looks like it just passed. On to the next step! Thanks to Hadji, Jeff and Fetch and others involved in getting this housekeeping portion taken care of!

    -Thor
    I think a letter to the editor of the Review may be in order, just to set the record straight. I would do it, but I have not been part of the Spokane change (just Tonasket's) so I do not know the particulars. You should set that record strait with the newspaper though, and force them to correct the misunderstandings.

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    An open (carry) note to the GTHDSBKLs on the Spokane City Council and at the PFD, with apologies to Inigo Montoya:

    I don't think that ordinance means what you think it means.

    Bwaaahahahahahaha. :-)



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    So I'm curious as to what the step 2 is that Jeff is referring to. Here is a copy of my post from SGT that states my understanding of the law.

    Thanks for the replies fellas. I have been researching it all day myself as well. One of the guys I work with also does security for StaffPro at the Arena and Convention Center. In fact he claims to be the one that stopped the OC guys at the Ron Paul deal last year. But he likes to tell stories. He claims that nothing will change so took it upon myself to educate him. Here's what I found.

    http://www.spokanepfd.org/ History Page
    "The District is a municipal corporation. It is an independent taxing authority and a taxing district as defined in the state Constitution. The boundaries are coextensive with the boundaries of Spokane County. "

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.300

    "(2) Cities, towns, counties, and other municipalities may enact laws and ordinances:...
    (b) Restricting the possession of firearms in any stadium or convention center, operated by a city, town, county, or other municipality, except that such restrictions shall not apply to:
    (i) Any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under RCW 9.41.070 or exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060"

    So that says the SPFD can't restrict CPL carriers, but doesn't clarify the rights of the company using the facility.

    http://www.spokanearena.com/useagreement.php
    "1. The parties understand this agreement constitutes a revocable license and not a lease. "

    http://dor.wa.gov/content/getaformorpub ... state.aspx
    "A license to use real estate merely grants a right to use the real property. It does not confer exclusive dominion or control over the property."

    That states that whoever is using the facility does not have private property rights as they only have a use license not a lease. So yes it appears that we should not be restricted from entering any SPFD facility if we have a CPL. Now this doesn't mean we have to conceal the weapon, you could OC as long as you have a CPL.
    Is there something I am missing as far as someone restricting a CPL holder from carrying at one of the SPFD locations? As a municipal entity are they not bound by the restrictions outlined in 9.41.300? Perhaps someone with more knowledge on the subject can enlightne me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lammo View Post
    An open (carry) note to the GTHDSBKLs on the Spokane City Council and at the PFD, with apologies to Inigo Montoya:

    I don't think that ordinance means what you think it means.

    Bwaaahahahahahaha. :-)



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    Quote Originally Posted by hadji View Post
    You are welcome.

    As it turned out, I did not need to speak at last night's council meeting,
    as others more capable than I were already on the list.


    My good friend, Jonny Quest, called, and I am afraid our services are needed elsewhere.

    I am sure that others will take up the cause, working through the next step.

    Namaste.
    hadji
    Adios Amigo, thanks for all your hard work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexm963 View Post
    So I'm curious as to what the step 2 is that Jeff is referring to. Here is a copy of my post from SGT that states my understanding of the law.



    Is there something I am missing as far as someone restricting a CPL holder from carrying at one of the SPFD locations? As a municipal entity are they not bound by the restrictions outlined in 9.41.300? Perhaps someone with more knowledge on the subject can enlightne me.
    Please be patient it will become apparent within the next few months.
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