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    Welcome to P4P

    Hey Illinois! Welcome to the land of P4P (perks for permittees)

    Link: http://saf.org/viewpr-new.asp?id=450

    P4P = Perks for Permittees. This refers to a land where those that aspire to open carry are disparraged by the CCC (Concealed Carry Croud). You will soon have a new industry called C2I2 (Concealed Carry Instruction Industry). I am not trying to P1$$ in your punch bowl, I am trying to warn you that now that the CCC have what they want, you r gun rights will also be threatened by praetorian guard defectors who got what they want, so now they will try to appear reasonable to preserve their priveledge.

    Do not think that you have won the great victory or that the civil rights restoration journey is over. You have won a battle, nothing more. Your quest to be free has hardly started. Remember, you must pay for government approved indoctrination, obtain a government permission slip and keep your heat hidden (destroying the deterrent value of open carrying.)



    TONIGHT DRINK AND BE MERRY FOR WHAT HAS BEEN WON. TOMORROW PICK THE PACK BACK UP. KEEP UP THE FIGHT. DON'T EVEN BEGIN TO THINK THAT THIS IS OVER.

    Live Free or Die,
    Thundar
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    Concealed carry licensure is an abomination.

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    Full text of the Illinois Firearms Concealed Carry Act (HB183) 168 pages!

    I am responsible for my writing, not your understanding of it.

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    HB183 is now law! The legislature has over ridden the ( irrelevant ) governor's veto.

    The Concealed carry portion of the law is horrid. Written by the Chicago anti civil rights bunch and full of delays and traps and criminal penalties to Illinois License to Carry holders. In fact, it will be a year before the first license is issued. I'll leave my discussion of that horrid discriminatory part of the bill for later.

    What else is in the bill? Well, state wide pre-emption and the revocation of ALL local ordinances concerning "handguns". Gone are magazine limits, and unconstitutional "transport" restrictions from dozens of Home Rule Communities. No more Chicago transport laws about "broken down" or "ammunition" separate. One law state wide. It's Fanny Pack Day! All you need is a FOID card or be a non resident.

    Speaking of non residents, they as of right now get to carry a loaded handgun in a car. Not Illinois residents though, not even with a non resident permit. This law was very careful to discriminate against us Illinois folks. However, if you have a concealed carry permit from ANY state, OR if you are either 18 or 21 without any permit or background check or anything from the following states:

    AK,WA,OR,CA,ID,NV,AZ,NM,WY,CO,SD,NE,KS,MO,WI,MI,KY ,LA,AL,MS,OH,WV,PA,DE,NH,ME,VA,NC, or VT.

    Then, you can drive or ride around Chicago or anywhere in the state with your loded Glock and 30 round magazine AND you don't have to inform the cops when you are stopped.

    No Illinois residents though. It's for the children.

    What is left for Illinois residents, today, right now, is commonly referred to as "Container Transport" or "Fanny Pack Carry". It means having a FOID card (Illinois residents only) and transporting your firearm "Unloaded and enclosed in a case". Ammo is not regulated and you can have loaded magazines or speed loaders in the same case or in your pocket, or in an ammo pouch on your belt. Everywhere in Illinois! Also, there are different prohibited places for "Transport" than for concealed carry ; license holders. Places prohibited like public transportation or neighborhood festvals for concealed carry are perfectly fine to "Container Transport". Research these yourself.

    So, a bad concealed carry laws passes, but a great Container Transport one does at the same time.

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