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    Kokesh arrested for holding consitutionally protected property

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    "Last night, Herndon, VA police executed a search warrant on the home of capital gun-loader, Adam Kokesh. And according to washingtonpost.com, he was subsequently arrested, though it wasn’t because of guns. "

    Some think he may be a state agent. This incident supports that theory.

    However, with all the real "gun violence" in DC, this is what they're worried about? How come David Gregory gets a pass? Cops, you are helping to destroy this country. Mindless barbarians. Ve ver juz followink oderzzzz. Screw you.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    As per another thread, he was arrested for possession of firearms while possessing mushrooms.

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    I would be interested in what the basis of the search was. If it was for the shotgun and the rounds in the video there should have been a arrest for the DC video. They avoided making that arrest, for obvious reasons. This could get interesting in a few years.
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    Another victim of an aggressive state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    Another victim of an aggressive state.
    And it couldn't come a moment too soon, happy sailing Adam... Up the river that is!
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    I would be interested in what the basis of the search was. If it was for the shotgun and the rounds in the video there should have been a arrest for the DC video. They avoided making that arrest, for obvious reasons. This could get interesting in a few years.
    That's what I was thinking. The warrant had to have been for that particular piece of constitutionally protected property. Also, the thugs planted the "illegal drugs" or Kokesh is an agent or just a moron. I'm leaning towards planted or an agent because the roommate said they expected to be raided.
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    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...lowing-search/


    "Last night, Herndon, VA police executed a search warrant on the home of capital gun-loader, Adam Kokesh. And according to washingtonpost.com, he was subsequently arrested, though it wasn’t because of guns. "

    Some think he may be a state agent. This incident supports that theory.

    However, with all the real "gun violence" in DC, this is what they're worried about? How come David Gregory gets a pass? Cops, you are helping to destroy this country. Mindless barbarians. Ve ver juz followink oderzzzz. Screw you.
    No fancy explanations (such as Kokesh being a "state agent") are necessary. We can Occam this one.

    Idiot loads a gun in DC, hoping to get arrested so he can challenge the law.

    Cops don't want to arrest him for the gun charge, because that might actually result in a court ruling they do not want.

    Cops do want him to pay for contempt of their laws.

    His video provides PC that he has committed a crime. Despite that case likely being a loser in front of the SCOTUS, the PC will allow a search of his home, ostensibly for the firearm loaded in the video, but actually to find evidence of some other crime, a crime that will hold up.

    Idiot has illegal drugs in his home.

    Cops accomplish what they actually set out to do: Charge idiot with a crime which will result in jail time.

    Pretty simple explanation that fits all the facts.

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    Idiot? Yes.

    Criminal? No.

    The man's done nothing wrong. Shouldn't that be enough?

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    Usually when idiots decide to take on the "Man" they sooner or later are going to get bent over. It is only a matter of time for the other idiots to suffer the same fate. Just like criminals they do serve a useful purpose, not only do they provide services for other needy(horny) inmates they give us court rulings that sometimes protect the rights of the honest and sane.

    They all should get the "soap on a rope award" to make them feel honored for their service, and keep them from dropping the soap in the shower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby
    As per another thread, he was arrested for possession of firearms while possessing mushrooms.
    Geez, I have a pistol in arm's reach & at least a pound of mushrooms in the fridge.
    Guess I'd better expect another visit from Milwaukee's finest. :P

    Curious what evidence they used to get a search warrant (probably the video showing him holding/loading a gun in DC), and why that needed so many vehicles (helicopters even!) and agencies (the US Park Service was involved).

    Why would the USPS be involved in a raid that's not on park (or even gov't) property?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    Idiot? Yes.

    Criminal? No.

    The man's done nothing wrong. Shouldn't that be enough?
    I see it the other way:

    Idiot? No.

    Criminal? Yes.

    I absolutely agree he's done nothing wrong, and that should be enough.

    Adam is a criminal for living as if he's a free man. Government finds that intolerable.

    Or as Heinlein said in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress:

    "I will accept the rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Cowardwolf is typical of americans who want their freedoms but only if they come easy. they want other people to suffer and do the dirty work and hard lifting and then the cowards come in and reap the benefits.

    I film police everyday and suffer for it so cowards after me can film police without fear or prosecution.

    Fighting the government for freedom and liberty is something we should all support and engage in.

    Some people are just cowards so they stick to the safety of their keyboards.

    Stay at home you cowards and let the real patriots serve your freedom and liberty to you.
    "...let the real patriots serve your freedom and liberty to you"... You? Hell son, I've seen your little videos mugging it up in front of the cops, and I gotta tell you, you're not impressing anyone. Patriot, you? I've got combat boots older than you! Bless your heart, if you want to be a true patriot then raise your right hand, put on the uniform, pick up a gun and serve! Until then, go thyself forth and multiply!

    (I edited this to remove my profanity, lest young eyes should read this)
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    Quote Originally Posted by RugarRev View Post
    "...let the real patriots serve your freedom and liberty to you"... You? Hell son, I've seen your little videos mugging it up in front of the cops, and I gotta tell you, you're not impressing anyone. Patriot, you? I've got combat boots older than you! Bless your heart, if you want to be a true patriot then raise your right hand, put on the uniform, pick up a gun and serve! Until then,****!
    Hell, he likes the attention the cops give him, it became obvious with his anti gay rants. Anybody who has that much fear of gays, has some desires they are ashamed of. I suspect the cuffs the arrests, being incarcerated with Bubba turns him on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    what war did you fight in ?

    unless you fought in WWII then you didn't do squat for freedom and liberty in America.
    You just pissed on most of the folks here. Well done "patriot".

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    I think it says something when government sends an entire platoon's worth of cops, light armor, and helicopters--to execute a search warrant.

    I think is says something else when cops has that much at its disposal in the first place to execute a search warrant.

    And, its nice to know Virginia police are now the lapdogs of the feds. So much for relying on VA police to protect you against federal nonsense.
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    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    thanks.
    Witty retort. Film at 11?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    No fancy explanations (such as Kokesh being a "state agent") are necessary. We can Occam this one.

    Idiot loads a gun in DC, hoping to get arrested so he can challenge the law.

    Cops don't want to arrest him for the gun charge, because that might actually result in a court ruling they do not want.

    Cops do want him to pay for contempt of their laws.

    His video provides PC that he has committed a crime. Despite that case likely being a loser in front of the SCOTUS, the PC will allow a search of his home, ostensibly for the firearm loaded in the video, but actually to find evidence of some other crime, a crime that will hold up.

    Idiot has illegal drugs in his home.

    Cops accomplish what they actually set out to do: Charge idiot with a crime which will result in jail time.

    Pretty simple explanation that fits all the facts.
    One does not HAVE to violate the law to attack the US constitutionality of the law....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Law enforcement doesn't use all that stuff for the raid in question. They use it to send a message to all the other people out there as a show of force.
    You know, that's exactly what I was thinking. Kokesh made all that noise about an armed march and so forth. I'm betting the heavy police was partially intended to say to others, "this is what you can expect."
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    so what war did you fight in ?
    Served 1970-74 then 1982-2005 ... you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RugarRev View Post
    Served 1970-74 then 1982-2005 ... you?
    Don't bother, Rugar.

    He has a thorough history of rhetorical dirty tricks. He was kinda behaving himself for a while, but I see earlier today he got back onto his kick about "I'm a great patriot and you're not". And, sneering down at others. Rational debate and argument is meaningless to him--he has no intellectual integrity.
    Last edited by Citizen; 07-12-2013 at 12:09 AM.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Don't bother, Rugar.

    He has a thorough history of rhetorical dirty tricks. He was kinda behaving himself for a while, but I see earlier today he got back onto his kick about "I'm a great patriot and you're not". And, sneering down at others. Rational debate and argument is meaningless to him--he has no intellectual integrity.
    Agreed, he has nothing but a loud voice and a video camera. Sorry to have derailed this thread with this tomfoolery. Please return to your regularly scheduled programming.
    Last edited by RugarRev; 07-12-2013 at 12:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    I was in the Marines for 9 months before I got a medical discharge.

    Not to take anything away from you, but you didn't win any freedom or liberty in America.

    The American military hasn't done that in a long time.
    <guffaw>

    Like nobody here can read CaP's implied message that Rugar is less a patriot than CaSelfPatriot!

    <snicker>
    Last edited by Citizen; 07-12-2013 at 12:39 AM.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    I was in the Marines for 9 months before I got a medical discharge.

    Not to take anything away from you, but you didn't win any freedom or liberty in America.

    The American military hasn't done that in a long time.
    You sound to me to be a sad and troubled young man. I implore you, utilize those VA benefits you have rightfully earned and seek help before your actions cause serious injury to yourself or others.

    Done.

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    Don't bother playing his games, Rugar. You've heard about wrestling with pigs, right? Notice how he has made this about you. It's one of the things he does.

    When he posts something moronic (he'll give you plenty of chances), jump in and point it out. At most, make one or two replies that point out the idiocy further (focusing on it and not on him) in reply to his non-sequiturs (usually focussing on you), then just let it be. Most folks have caught on to this guy, and you only want to make sure stragglers are alerted what to look out for with this poster.

    I wouldn't let him drag you into his sty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RugarRev View Post
    "...let the real patriots serve your freedom and liberty to you"... You? Hell son, I've seen your little videos mugging it up in front of the cops, and I gotta tell you, you're not impressing anyone. Patriot, you? I've got combat boots older than you! Bless your heart, if you want to be a true patriot then raise your right hand, put on the uniform, pick up a gun and serve! Until then, go thyself forth and multiply!

    (I edited this to remove my profanity, lest young eyes should read this)
    Could you explain to me, how my putting on "the uniform" helped the cause of liberty at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    what war did you fight in ?

    unless you fought in WWII then you didn't do squat for freedom and liberty in America.
    Could you explain to me how helping the bankers make a profit based on destroying lives helped America?

    Quote Originally Posted by RugarRev View Post
    You just pissed on most of the folks here. Well done "patriot".
    I being former military, actually disagree with you about that Rev.
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