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    I went into a store and the lady who was working at the gun counter asked if I would lower the hammer on my gun. I said no she said it made her nervous I told her it was a 1911 and the safety was on nothing else
    was said about it and she helped me with what I needed.
    First time that that's happen to me.


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    Seems lots of folks will stop and ask "Do you know your hammer is back (is cocked)?"

    The standard response has been to do a dramatic forarm wipe across the brow and exclaim "Thank goodness! For a moment I was afraid my handgun might have become unsafe." A much better conversation starter than a snarky "Why, yes it is, isn't it."

    Only once did someone attempt to press the hammer down (to fix it?). The wearer of the 1911 came this close >< to creating a large dent in the guy's head, took a few gulps of air, and had a very pleasant conversation about not touching other people's guns - especially while they are wearing them. The guy attempting to fix things went away wiser and with an understanding that at least one OCer was not a knee-jerk reactionary killer looking for the first target to come along. The OCer, on the other hand, had aged several years in that moment - something they could not well afford to do.

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    Should have put a round into the floor ! "There, that's done ... oh wait, its cocked again .. I can fix that, hold on...."

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    I know we need to be diplomatic with stupid people but sometimes it gets trying.

    I'm tired of my rights and safety taking a back seat to someones "feelings" or "insecurities".

    I want to tell them yes I know it is cocked it is easier to fire that way....duh

    But I usally smile and tell them that is the way they are designed as to carry them safely.

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    On the other hand, the best laugh I've had in many a year was when a police officer told me that my trigger was cocked! It took me a minute or two to figure out that he was talking about the hammer being cocked on my .45!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired View Post
    On the other hand, the best laugh I've had in many a year was when a police officer told me that my trigger was cocked! It took me a minute or two to figure out that he was talking about the hammer being cocked on my .45!!
    And this cop carries a weapon right?........scary thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocWalker View Post
    And this cop carries a weapon right?........scary thought.
    Very few of the younger cops around here have any experience with 1911-type pistols. Most of them have only handled Tupperware.

    I have also witnessed a couple of LEOs violate the "finger on trigger" safety rule. What makes it even scarier is the knowledge that the only real safety their weapon has is their control of their bugger hook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired View Post
    What makes it even scarier is the knowledge that the only real safety their weapon has is their control of their bugger hook.
    As it is should be.


    It wouldn't bother me to carry any of my firearms cocked, even if they are not equipped with a manual safety. I would even carry a double action firearm (true double action) cocked.

    All of my firearms are modern firearms in proper working condition and all of them have a trigger block.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ps1mhd View Post
    ...the lady who was working at the gun counter asked if I would lower the hammer on my gun...
    "You want me to handle my loaded weapon? Are you sure you don't want to rethink that request? Have you taken any firearm safety classes?"

    Next, do not let the moment just go. If you think she truly doesn't understand, you should write a letter to the management and ask them to train their staff. You can relate the experience without divulging the worker's name. If they know who you are talking about, then that means it is an often enough problem to need correction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    As it is should be.


    It wouldn't bother me to carry any of my firearms cocked, even if they are not equipped with a manual safety. I would even carry a double action firearm (true double action) cocked.

    All of my firearms are modern firearms in proper working condition and all of them have a trigger block.
    I think you may have misunderstood what I said. The firearms nowadays are safe. It's the people who hold them who are often not safe. In the particular incidents I mentioned above, the cops had their fingers on the triggers. I think we all know that is, to say the least, unsafe.
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    She just wanted to see your decocker.

    Women love decockers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired View Post
    I think you may have misunderstood what I said. The firearms nowadays are safe. It's the people who hold them who are often not safe. In the particular incidents I mentioned above, the cops had their fingers on the triggers. I think we all know that is, to say the least, unsafe.
    The first line was in reply to your comment. Everything after the double vertical space was at nobody in particular.

    You are correct about firearms/people. I have never once had a firearm just "go off", but I do know people who has fired a firearm unintentionally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    I don't want to be decocked.
    Neither do I...

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Only once did someone attempt to press the hammer down (to fix it?). The wearer of the 1911 came this close >< to creating a large dent in the guy's head, took a few gulps of air, and had a very pleasant conversation about not touching other people's guns - especially while they are wearing them. The guy attempting to fix things went away wiser and with an understanding that at least one OCer was not a knee-jerk reactionary killer looking for the first target to come along. The OCer, on the other hand, had aged several years in that moment - something they could not well afford to do.

    stay safe.
    How did someone get close enough to touch the OCer's weapon? Was it poor situational awareness or did they know the "helper"?
    Last edited by willy1094; 07-12-2013 at 02:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    should have put a round into the floor ! "there, that's done ... Oh wait, its cocked again .. I can fix that, hold on...."
    like button. Lol

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    Re: asked to decock

    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    "You want me to handle my loaded weapon? Are you sure you don't want to rethink that request? Have you taken any firearm safety classes?"

    Next, do not let the moment just go. If you think she truly doesn't understand, you should write a letter to the management and ask them to train their staff. You can relate the experience without divulging the worker's name. If they know who you are talking about, then that means it is an often enough problem to need correction.
    This! + to infinity & beyond. This woman's ignorance is liable to get someone hurt our worse. Does she peer at the split triggers on glocks & ask their owners to place the trigger in the reward position. ! Why do places hire people to work with guns that have no concept of safe gun handling?
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    Quote Originally Posted by willy1094 View Post
    How did someone get close enough to touch the OCer's weapon? Was it poor situational awareness or did they know the "helper"?
    Sudden move from close conversational distance. The hammer's owner was facing about 45* away from Mr. Fixit, directing his words to someone else. Remember, I said they tried to fix the problem - not that they were successful.

    Y'all can "watch their hands" till the cows come home. It's the shoulders that give things away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    "You want me to handle my loaded weapon? Are you sure you don't want to rethink that request? Have you taken any firearm safety classes?"
    +1 This was my first thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Should have put a round into the floor ! "There, that's done ... oh wait, its cocked again .. I can fix that, hold on...."
    Because advocating for someone to initiate a negligent discharge is common practice among OC'ers, right?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrakeZ07 View Post
    Because advocating for someone to initiate a negligent discharge is common practice among OC'ers, right?!
    If he intentionally put a round into the floor, it wouldn't be a negligent discharge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flb_78 View Post
    If he intentionally put a round into the floor, it wouldn't be a negligent discharge.
    You're right; I couldn't think of the name/term for it at the moment. Still, would be illegal within most city limits within the state. Although I question the authority of most towns to do so, a large part of them have ordinances banning the discharge of a firearm within city limits for any reason, with the exception of self-defense, or protection of your property. And I personally found it distasteful, even in sarcasm, for David to make a comment about playing with the hammer, and causing the round to be fired, even in the context of not being the OC'er.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocWalker
    I know we need to be diplomatic with stupid people but sometimes it gets trying.
    Amen.

    I'm tired of people thinking that my rights and safety take a back seat to someones "feelings" or "insecurities".
    Is that what you meant to say?

    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired
    the only real safety their weapon has is their control of their bugger hook.
    That doesn't mean the same as "booger hook".

    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ
    Does she peer at the split triggers on glocks & ask their owners to place the trigger in the reward position?
    Never thought of it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flb_78 View Post
    If he intentionally put a round into the floor, it wouldn't be a negligent discharge.
    Actually it would. If someone were to actually do so, then they would be doing so due to their lack of care or concern for others, which is the very definition of negligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flb_78 View Post
    If he intentionally put a round into the floor, it wouldn't be a negligent discharge.
    I'd call it a negligent INTENTIONAL act. It is a more serious violation in my mind that an UNINTENTIONAL negligent act!


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