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    Can my 18 y/o daughter OC my handgun?

    First time poster here. I've searched the web and this forum for the last two hours and could not find updated clarification on this. There seem to be conflicting opinions on this but my interpretation of NC law is that anyone who is 18 years old can OC in NC, but they cannot purchase a handgun from a FFL dealer. They can however buy a handgun through a private sale or obtain one as a gift from an immediate family member. Please correct me on this if I am wrong.

    The bottomline is that I want my 18 y/o daughter to legally OC my handgun and not just to show off, but for protection when she is out in certain parts of Fayetteville such as Ramsey Street and the Skibo Road area.

    Thanks in advance for your time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seduced View Post
    First time poster here. I've searched the web and this forum for the last two hours and could not find updated clarification on this. There seem to be conflicting opinions on this but my interpretation of NC law is that anyone who is 18 years old can OC in NC, but they cannot purchase a handgun from a FFL dealer. They can however buy a handgun through a private sale or obtain one as a gift from an immediate family member. Please correct me on this if I am wrong.

    The bottomline is that I want my 18 y/o daughter to legally OC my handgun and not just to show off, but for protection when she is out in certain parts of Fayetteville such as Ramsey Street and the Skibo Road area.

    Thanks in advance for your time.
    First off, welcome to the forum.

    Any person who is over the age of 18 and is not a prohibited person from possessing a firearm may open carry.
    I personally would suggest taking your daughter to the Sheriff's Office in her county and apply for a PPP, get her a weapon retention holster, and a audio recording device. Also, she will need to know the laws for use of force, where she may/may not carry, etc.


    http://www.ncdoj.com/files/about-doj...-gun-laws.aspx Page 32
    AGE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PURCHASE AND POSSESSION OF WEAPONS:

    North Carolina law does not currently address specific age requirements for the purchase of
    weapons.

    Rather, it looks to the federal standards for such restrictions. Under federal law, 18
    U.S.c. 922(b)(I), federally licensed gun dealers are prohibited from selling handguns to
    persons under the age of 21. Further, all other purchasers of shotguns and rifles are required to
    be at least 18 years of age.

    Therefore, while a pistol purchase permit can be issued to an
    individual 18 years of age or older, such persons aged 18, 19, and 20 could not use the permit to
    purchase a handgun from a federally licensed firearms dealer.

    North Carolina General Statute 14-269.7 provides that it is a misdemeanor for any person
    under the age of 18 to willfully and intentionally possess or carry a handgun. A handgun is
    defined as a firearm that has a short stock and is designed to be fired by the use of a single hand,
    or any combination of parts from which such a firearm can be assembled.
    From the North Carolina Sheriffs’ Association
    http://www.ncsheriffs.org/documents/...%20Permits.pdf

    I Am Not A Lawyer.
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    There has been a couple topics like this in the past, from what I read that she can't purchase a handgun, but legally can open carry the handgun meaning not concealed on her hip. Best to contact your attorney for more information on this matter.

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    Your daughter is legal to OC at 18 yo.
    http://www.opencarry.org/?page_id=139

    She needs to be aware of certain restrictions though such as minimum size in Chapel Hill and where no carry is permitted. Suggest a good permit course for generalized information, even though see won't be eligible for a permit for several years yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Suggest a good permit course
    Good suggestion!

    I see the OPer is from Fayetteville. I hear Range 37 has a good class, but I am sure you can find some where a little cheaper (remember, you get what you pay for).

    http://www.range37.com/training/concealed-carry/

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    Quote Originally Posted by madcitysw View Post
    There has been a couple topics like this in the past, from what I read that she can't purchase a handgun, but legally can open carry the handgun meaning not concealed on her hip. Best to contact your attorney for more information on this matter.
    She can't purchase a handgun from an FFL dealer, but she can purchase (with a PPP) in a private sale, say perhaps from dad.

    Knowledge is her friend, and recommend the concealed carry course for the legal aspects. If she is new to shooting, the pistol course aspect will also be beneficial.

    Her certificate from the course is good for 5 years, so when she turns 21 she can use it for her CHP application.

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    Thanks everyone. I was a DoD certified use of force instructor and advanced firearms instructor, so she will be squared away in that department as will her knowledge on OC laws. I truly fear for her safety in Fayetteville after reading about the robberies that take place in parking lots on just about a daily basis, not to mention the young soldier (Kelli Bordeaux) who went missing over a year ago, is still missing, and no one has been arrested as a suspect. Her kidnapping took place about a mile from our house and the perpetrator is still out there, possibly waiting for the opportunity to do it again. That's the whole reason I ended up finding this forum, which is a treasure chest of great information. I want her to be safe, but also be in accordance with the law. I've read a lot about Fayetteville being one of the more friendly OC areas because of Fort Bragg, but it does seem somewhat unsettling that many OCers feel the need to carry a recording device of some sort. I feel the 2A is in place to allow citizens to defend themselves from government tyranny, but more so in this day and age for personal protection. Having to keep a recording device to ensure our rights are not infringed upon by LE is unfortunate and something I wish my daughter would not have worry about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seduced View Post
    First time poster here. I've searched the web and this forum for the last two hours and could not find updated clarification on this. There seem to be conflicting opinions on this but my interpretation of NC law is that anyone who is 18 years old can OC in NC,
    Quote Originally Posted by Seduced View Post
    Thanks everyone. I was a DoD certified use of force instructor and advanced firearms instructor, so she will be squared away in that department as will her knowledge on OC laws.
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    I feel the 2A is in place to allow citizens to defend themselves from government tyranny, but more so in this day and age for personal protection. Having to keep a recording device to ensure our rights are not infringed upon by LE is unfortunate and something I wish my daughter would not have worry about.
    Perhaps I am the one confused. You seem to ask for clarification on the legality of her OCing.

    Digital recorders = an ounce of prevention.
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    I understand the law as it pertains to a person who is lawfully permitted to OC, meaning where they can and cannot carry. What I was unsure about was the legal age to carry OC. My search results found some who said 18, some say 21. Some interpreted the 21 age requirement to purchase a handgun as the default age to legally possess the handgun. Their argument was how can someone legally possess a handgun when they are not even old enough to buy one. That's not the way I interpret that aspect of the law and that appears to be the consensus with everyone here. Sorry if my statements were confusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seduced View Post
    I understand the law as it pertains to a person who is lawfully permitted to OC, meaning where they can and cannot carry. What I was unsure about was the legal age to carry OC. My search results found some who said 18, some say 21. Some interpreted the 21 age requirement to purchase a handgun as the default age to legally possess the handgun. Their argument was how can someone legally possess a handgun when they are not even old enough to buy one. That's not the way I interpret that aspect of the law and that appears to be the consensus with everyone here. Sorry if my statements were confusing.
    Think you have the right understanding now. No offense was intended.
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    No offense taken and thank you for the helpful info. Now I need to look at audio/video recording laws in NC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seduced View Post
    No offense taken and thank you for the helpful info. Now I need to look at audio/video recording laws in NC.
    NC is a one party consent state, if you are one of the participating parties.
    http://gjlawfirm.com/2012/10/24/can-...orth-carolina/

    Video recording is generally fine, if you are in a public place = no expectation of privacy.
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    Awesome! You da man Grapeshot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod8812 View Post

    I see the OPer is from Fayetteville. I hear Range 37 has a good class, but I am sure you can find some where a little cheaper (remember, you get what you pay for).

    http://www.range37.com/training/concealed-carry/
    Thanks for the link! I've heard of these guys before and they seem to be the best around.

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    Also, check out http://www.ncgunowners.com/forum/index.php if you have any questions on anything other than OC. I am on there with the same screen name.

    I was in Fayetteville today, so I fully understand your concern for her safety.

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    Thanks for the link. I'll definately be browsing that forum as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seduced View Post
    Thanks for the link. I'll definately be browsing that forum as well.
    Don't BROWSE. Join, and enjoy. Lots of good info, and a source of good times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seduced View Post
    No offense taken and thank you for the helpful info. Now I need to look at audio/video recording laws in NC.
    I bet she has a smartphone... There are a ton of apps for recording. Set the phone to have a lock screen and turn on record.

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    holding my tongue on this one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seduced View Post
    Thanks everyone. I was a DoD certified use of force instructor and advanced firearms instructor, so she will be squared away in that department as will her knowledge on OC laws. I truly fear for her safety in Fayetteville after reading about the robberies that take place in parking lots on just about a daily basis, not to mention the young soldier (Kelli Bordeaux) who went missing over a year ago, is still missing, and no one has been arrested as a suspect. Her kidnapping took place about a mile from our house and the perpetrator is still out there, possibly waiting for the opportunity to do it again. That's the whole reason I ended up finding this forum, which is a treasure chest of great information. I want her to be safe, but also be in accordance with the law. I've read a lot about Fayetteville being one of the more friendly OC areas because of Fort Bragg, but it does seem somewhat unsettling that many OCers feel the need to carry a recording device of some sort. I feel the 2A is in place to allow citizens to defend themselves from government tyranny, but more so in this day and age for personal protection. Having to keep a recording device to ensure our rights are not infringed upon by LE is unfortunate and something I wish my daughter would not have worry about.
    Great thoughts, but if you want your daughter to be safe, don't just give her a firearm and a little instruction.

    Tell her to never go out alone (but, preferably with a friend who is also armed), tell her not to go to stupid places, with stupid people, doing stupid things.

    Get her a vehicle with self-locking doors, and tell her to get assistance at stores with loading her car.

    ...oh, and tell her never to talk to boys (haha).

    Good luck!

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