Silvertongue
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Shot a video this morning, hope it's helpful.
I'm far more concerned about not becoming the next Travon Marton. Got a video for that? Gotta love how some here are so sure it was self defence as if they seen the whole thing first hand. May have been, I suppose it's possible but theres one who can't give testomony. All I know is just about anyone can follow or stalk me, shoot me dead and walk free by saying I attacked them. If I was to speculate wit is what others here seem to be doing, I'd say there was some self defence on both sides. This was likely a fight between two consenting, ,, well one consenting adult and a teenager. In my case they will probibly just bang their head against a tree or something to create the self defence excuse.
I'm far more concerned about not becoming the next Travon Marton. Got a video for that? Gotta love how some here are so sure it was self defence as if they seen the whole thing first hand. May have been, I suppose it's possible but theres one who can't give testomony. All I know is just about anyone can follow or stalk me, shoot me dead and walk free by saying I attacked them. If I was to speculate wit is what others here seem to be doing, I'd say there was some self defence on both sides. This was likely a fight between two consenting, ,, well one consenting adult and a teenager. In my case they will probibly just bang their head against a tree or something to create the self defence excuse.
Have you checked out the official timeline of events?
7:16:55 — Gunshot heard on 911 call.
7:17 — The first office officer on the scene, Officer T. Smith arrives by squad car at Retreat View.
7:17:40+ — Officer Smith arrives at the crime scene.
7:19:07 — Photo taken of Zimmerman's head injuries by a civilian bystander.
Two minutes and twelve seconds is an awful lot of time for that amount of swelling to kick in, and 45 seconds isn't enough for someone to inflict that damage to themselves.
**Disclaimer: You are entitled to your opinion, even if you don't recognize it will never change the opinions of the six jurors in the case.
That one comment undermined everything else you were trying to say by showing a logic failure.
I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm saying to omit that argument next time.
Here's what I mean. Anytime a defender kills his opponent, there is only one testimony. Just because there is only one does not, cannot, make a liar out of that one. Your argument is basically undermining every legitimate defender who killed his attacker. Including Martin if he had killed Zimmerman. And, yourself, if you ever kill an attacker.
I agree, Zimmerman could very well be telling the truth. I agree that the case against him wasn't proven. I just can't get past the fact that he set out to keep an eye on someone who he decided was probibly up to no good. I can't begin to count the number of times someone thought, or claimed I was up to no good. I've never killed an attacker yet and believe me when I say I have been attacked probibly a handfull of times. It's always justified and I'm in the wrong. In that way, I can somewhat relate to Martin. But your right about everything else.
It does not matter what anyone here thinks. It only mattered what six citizens thought. Case closed.....so to speak.I'm far more concerned about not becoming the next Travon Marton. Got a video for that? Gotta love how some here are so sure it was self defence as if they seen the whole thing first hand. May have been, I suppose it's possible but theres one who can't give testomony. All I know is just about anyone can follow or stalk me, shoot me dead and walk free by saying I attacked them. If I was to speculate wit is what others here seem to be doing, I'd say there was some self defence on both sides. This was likely a fight between two consenting, ,, well one consenting adult and a teenager. In my case they will probibly just bang their head against a tree or something to create the self defence excuse.
I'm far more concerned about not becoming the next Travon Marton. Got a video for that? Gotta love how some here are so sure it was self defence as if they seen the whole thing first hand. May have been, I suppose it's possible but theres one who can't give testomony. All I know is just about anyone can follow or stalk me, shoot me dead and walk free by saying I attacked them. If I was to speculate wit is what others here seem to be doing, I'd say there was some self defence on both sides. This was likely a fight between two consenting, ,, well one consenting adult and a teenager. In my case they will probibly just bang their head against a tree or something to create the self defence excuse.
It's pretty clear Martin thought he would "stand up for himself" (AKA act like a thug) by beating up Z. Unfortunately, there is never a valid reason to physically assault someone.
Don't do this, and you won't become the next M. Simple.
Which son is a better question. The 13/14 TM as was repeatedly depicted in news reports. Or the 17 TM as he depicted himself on a video sharing web site.Hmm. I wonder. I think you might be onto something there.
It seems pretty plausible to me that a young black man, having experienced both institutional and private racism, and having its existence pounded into him from birth, might just finally say, "I've had it! I'm not doing anything wrong and here is another MFer profiling me just for walking home with a snack! That's it! I'm not going to take it anymore!"
Moreover, I wonder if that is the real reason TM got so much support from the black community? I wonder if there is an undercurrent of, "That could be me or my son who finally had enough." I also wonder if there is an element there of not wanting to hold TM responsible for his actions because they can see themselves reacting the same way? They can appreciate why he acted the way he did?
It seems to me that maybe racism did get TM killed, just not in the obvious way.
Hmm. I wonder. I think you might be onto something there.
It seems pretty plausible to me that a young black man, having experienced both institutional and private racism, and having its existence pounded into him from birth, might just finally say, "I've had it! I'm not doing anything wrong and here is another MFer profiling me just for walking home with a snack! That's it! I'm not going to take it anymore!"
Moreover, I wonder if that is the real reason TM got so much support from the black community? I wonder if there is an undercurrent of, "That could be me or my son who finally had enough." I also wonder if there is an element there of not wanting to hold TM responsible for his actions because they can see themselves reacting the same way? They can appreciate why he acted the way he did?
It seems to me that maybe racism did get TM killed, just not in the obvious way.
Thank you, I didn't know that, so I take it she deleted the Joanie SN.So what? Someone kept an eye on you. If you were near me, I'd keep a weather eye out for you too! If you are in public, you are subject to being observed. If you don't like that, stay home. I applaud Z for keeping an eye on M. His behavior warranted it, but there would have been nothing wrong with Z's observation anyway.
Oh, and FTR, folks, this is the poster who formerly used the handle "Joanie." Just helping you make the linkages between these posts and the others.
... "Racism" is merely a crutch they are taught to use as an excuse to justify doing things they know darned-well to be wrong, and hope to be given a pass on. Does "racism" exist? Sure, of course, for some, but for many out there it is over-used, worn-out as an excuse, and just plain nonsense. Certain folks go to great lengths to complain about certain stereotypes that they claim to despise, yet go out of their way to try to LIVE UP TO, that very stereotype. And when someone responds or reacts to that image being presented, they pull out the "race" issue because they've come to expect everyone to start stepping on eggshells.
Shot a video this morning, hope it's helpful.
Thank you, I didn't know that, so I take it she deleted the Joanie SN.