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    Question Question about OC and carrying an unloaded gun in a locked case at the Stratosphere.

    I am going to be staying at the Stratoshpere tower in Las Vegas. A friend has already made the reservations, and I would like to OC there without them asking us to leave, as this would cost my friend a lot of money if they did. I don't plan on playing in the casino or anything else there, I will only be walking to my hotel room and back. I only really want to OC while conducting our business in the city, but I would also prefer to not have to leave my gun out in the car.

    I am a Washington state CC permit holder and I know this is not valid in your state. I have been considering OC for a while and this would be my first time.

    Question 1: Does anyone have any experience with OC at the Stratosphere? Or even an opinion about what it might be like?

    Question 2: If it is a bad idea (i.e., more likely that we would lose the reservation already paid for than that our car would get broken into), would it be legal to carry the gun unloaded, ammo seperate, in its locked box, concealed in a backpack?

    NRS 202.350 does not seem to allow it. However, it seems like it would be similar to buying a new gun from a gun store, which technically is concealed in its case. Would a citizen in such a situation without a CC permit need to immediately take it out and carry it openly before picking up the case? According to Attorney General Opinion AG 93-14 in the NV Carry Pamphlet it would seem so.

    Also, any advice regarding my first time OC would be welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VM1 View Post
    I am going to be staying at the Stratoshpere tower in Las Vegas. A friend has already made the reservations, and I would like to OC there without them asking us to leave, as this would cost my friend a lot of money if they did. I don't plan on playing in the casino or anything else there, I will only be walking to my hotel room and back. I only really want to OC while conducting our business in the city, but I would also prefer to not have to leave my gun out in the car.

    I am a Washington state CC permit holder and I know this is not valid in your state. I have been considering OC for a while and this would be my first time.

    Question 1: Does anyone have any experience with OC at the Stratosphere? Or even an opinion about what it might be like?

    Question 2: If it is a bad idea (i.e., more likely that we would lose the reservation already paid for than that our car would get broken into), would it be legal to carry the gun unloaded, ammo seperate, in its locked box, concealed in a backpack?
    The Stratosphere is anti-gun. If they see it, you can be fairly confident you will be asked to leave. They even have metal detectors at the elevator to the tower to attempt to stop the concealment of firearms up there.

    There is possibly some sort of law that allows you to OC directly to/from your room as right-of-passage to your temporary domicile, but even if they followed this law, you would probably be hassled every single time they saw you.

    While it is technically illegal (a felony at that) to conceal as you describe, I know of zero cases of enforcement in this regard. It is the same as the unloaded gun in your luggage at the airport. That is a felony, too, in this state, but completely unenforced because our law is very old and known to be too vague. And unlike the gun at the airport, you are not declaring it and being searched as you walk between your car and room. Once you get out of the hotel, you will enjoy OC in our city.
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    I called the Stratosphere security office for you.
    the conversation went something like this:

    Me: Hello, I am calling to inquire about your policy regarding carrying firearms from the street to a hotel room.

    Security Officer: We do not allow firearms in the building.

    Me: If I am a hotel guest though, isn't the room my domicile and therefore constitutionally protected to provide passage from my firearm to the room?

    Security Officer: We are a private company and have "no firearms allowed" signs on our doors. If you have a gun in your room that we don't know about, that's your personal business, but we don't allow firearms in the building.

    Me: Would I be able to store a firearm with the security office for the duration of my stay?

    Security Officer: We do not offer that service, as we do not allow firearms in the building.

    Me: Thank you, have a great day

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickyray9 View Post
    ...Me: If I am a hotel guest though, isn't the room my domicile and therefore constitutionally protected to provide passage from my firearm to the room?

    Security Officer: We are a private company and have "no firearms allowed" signs on our doors...
    He just provided proof that he does not know the laws of the state of Nevada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    He just provided proof that he does not know the laws of the state of Nevada.
    Clerk only said they have signs on the doors, the clerk did not falsely declare it was therefore illegal to carry in there.

    If I were in your shoes, I would put the gun in a locked case, unloaded, and take it up to my room. Yes, by the letter of the law it is concealed, but as stated above I doubt a cop or DA would prosecute someone carrying in that manner. Car isn't ideal and you don't prefer it, but it is another option for you as well and possibly the easiest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfrey123 View Post
    Clerk only said they have signs on the doors, the clerk did not falsely declare it was therefore illegal to carry in there.

    If I were in your shoes, I would put the gun in a locked case, unloaded, and take it up to my room. Yes, by the letter of the law it is concealed, but as stated above I doubt a cop or DA would prosecute someone carrying in that manner. Car isn't ideal and you don't prefer it, but it is another option for you as well and possibly the easiest.
    Or, stay at motel 6 and there is no issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfrey123 View Post
    Clerk only said they have signs on the doors, the clerk did not falsely declare it was therefore illegal to carry in there...
    I didn't say he was wrong. I said he was ignorant.

    I got the impression that he thinks the signs legally mean something even though he didn't say it that way.

    I like their phrase "we don't allow firearms..." What exactly do they do to PREVENT it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    What exactly do they do to PREVENT it?
    Duh...they hang a sign on the door.

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    You really have to read between the lines when reading that conversation with security. "If you have a firearm in your room that we don't know about..."

    i.e. if we don't see it, it doesn't exist. If it doesn't exist we don't have to take action. If we see it we have to ask you to leave. No guns allowed. BAAAAHHH!!

    Put the gun unloaded in a non-gun type backpack or bag and take it to your room. Load up when you get outside the hotel.

    I'm not sure why your friend chose the Stratosphere of all hotels. It's a dive in a crappy part of town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpa View Post
    Put the gun unloaded in a non-gun type backpack or bag and take it to your room.

    Technically, that is concealed carry (although Metro is a) unlikely to know about it, and b) unlikely to arrest you for it). However, if I were a non-resident staying at the Strat, that is how I would do it. Be discreet.

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    This is the exact thing I do when staying at a hotel in Vegas. Last time, I stayed at Circus circus, and am doing again this time in September. I took my unloaded Glock, with a trigger lock (for you U.S citizen types, that is a real thing that we Canadians have to deal with ) and put it in a small backpack that has a tiny lock on it. I then carry it from my hotel room to the bathroom of the casino next to the entrance, and load it in the stall (instead of freaking people out), holster it, then walk out the door to the street... then reverse procedure when coming back off the street. It is probably still technically illegal, but I've done everything I can to turn it from a "concealed weapon" into a "concealed paperweight". It's just a pain to have to carry around a backpack all day, but, it's the only way I can figure to be able to carry and not garner some attention and escort from premises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Larson View Post
    This is the exact thing I do when staying at a hotel in Vegas. Last time, I stayed at Circus circus, and am doing again this time in September. I took my unloaded Glock, with a trigger lock (for you U.S citizen types, that is a real thing that we Canadians have to deal with ) and put it in a small backpack that has a tiny lock on it. I then carry it from my hotel room to the bathroom of the casino next to the entrance, and load it in the stall (instead of freaking people out), holster it, then walk out the door to the street... then reverse procedure when coming back off the street. It is probably still technically illegal, but I've done everything I can to turn it from a "concealed weapon" into a "concealed paperweight". It's just a pain to have to carry around a backpack all day, but, it's the only way I can figure to be able to carry and not garner some attention and escort from premises.
    Thread hijack, but I have to ask: Can you fly with a gun into the US, then return with it later? That's pretty neat if so.

    Now back on topic: I might catch flak for this, but whatever. I have no qualms about temporary illegal concealment if necessary. From your room to the street, and from your street to the room? Make it quick, conceal it well, and don't get caught. When I'm in the desert close to the border of CA, the same principle applies. If I'm only in that stupid state for 5 minutes on a dirt bike, it's not worth leaving my weapon at home all day long just to obey that stupid law. If a short stint of obeying the law would keep you unprotected for extended periods of time, conceal it. Concealed means concealed. Just make sure that no one sees you unconceal, because then they will know that you were concealing. I've done what Steve said several times, open carried through the casino just from the bathroom to the door. They may not notice you, and if they do, you're leaving anyway.

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    Well, thank you all for your help and info. For your help, I will let you know how it all went.

    My friend switched his reservation at the last minute to Excalibur, which is truly a medieval castle, in that it has no wifi, so I could not update my post. However, based off info from this forum, I realized most casinos were not gun friendly, and decided to leave it locked in the trunk of the car. It was not broken into, so that worked out this time, although I think I might try one of the suggestions above next time, God forbid I need to go to Las Vegas again.

    I chose to keep it in the trunk while at the casino, because I was concerned our activities elsewhere increased our odds of interacting with LVMPD. We would load up off-site, so potential thieves wouldn't notice us loading or unloading valuables into the trunk.

    We completely ignored the unconstitutional gun law of North Las Vegas, but tried to keep a low profile when not at the apartment. I carry a S&W 642, a hammerless .38 special. My holster allows me to easily adjust my carry position from 1 o'clock to about 3:30, so I would try to keep it shielded from whichever angle seemed to have more possibly skittish sheep. I most commonly carried it in public about 2 o'clock, with my friend walking in front of me, not carrying, and my arm shielding it from the side. We did not want to be a constitutional test case.

    We spent most of our time in and around a weekly-rented apartment in tweakersville, North Las Vegas, trying to convince a friend to leave her tweaker boyfriend. Said tweakers friends apparently had gotten pretty riled up about that, and I believe the fact that we were open carrying, along with Divine intervention, kept us from having to shoot anybody, which is good, because I hate paperwork.

    In the end, she left with us, because she realized she wasn't helping herself or him at all by staying.

    I also got the best view ever of Las Vegas, which was in my rear-view mirror.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VM1 View Post

    I also got the best view ever of Las Vegas, which was in my rear-view mirror.
    Glad the door didnt hit you on the way out. You came here asking for help and advice and got great advice. And you slammed our city at the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VM1 View Post
    Well, thank you all for your help and info. For your help, I will let you know how it all went.

    My friend switched his reservation at the last minute to Excalibur, which is truly a medieval castle, in that it has no wifi, so I could not update my post. However, based off info from this forum, I realized most casinos were not gun friendly, and decided to leave it locked in the trunk of the car. It was not broken into, so that worked out this time, although I think I might try one of the suggestions above next time, God forbid I need to go to Las Vegas again.

    I chose to keep it in the trunk while at the casino, because I was concerned our activities elsewhere increased our odds of interacting with LVMPD. We would load up off-site, so potential thieves wouldn't notice us loading or unloading valuables into the trunk.

    We completely ignored the unconstitutional gun law of North Las Vegas, but tried to keep a low profile when not at the apartment. I carry a S&W 642, a hammerless .38 special. My holster allows me to easily adjust my carry position from 1 o'clock to about 3:30, so I would try to keep it shielded from whichever angle seemed to have more possibly skittish sheep. I most commonly carried it in public about 2 o'clock, with my friend walking in front of me, not carrying, and my arm shielding it from the side. We did not want to be a constitutional test case.

    We spent most of our time in and around a weekly-rented apartment in tweakersville, North Las Vegas, trying to convince a friend to leave her tweaker boyfriend. Said tweakers friends apparently had gotten pretty riled up about that, and I believe the fact that we were open carrying, along with Divine intervention, kept us from having to shoot anybody, which is good, because I hate paperwork.

    In the end, she left with us, because she realized she wasn't helping herself or him at all by staying.

    I also got the best view ever of Las Vegas, which was in my rear-view mirror.
    Wow. Thanks for your unsolicited opinion on the place most of us chose to call home. You should have taken the tweaker with you guys too. He would be right at home in Washington state where the state dog is the meth lab. Enjoy your "medicinal" marijuana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VM1 View Post
    Well, thank you all for your help and info. For your help, I will let you know how it all went.

    My friend switched his reservation at the last minute to Excalibur, which is truly a medieval castle, in that it has no wifi, so I could not update my post. However, based off info from this forum, I realized most casinos were not gun friendly, and decided to leave it locked in the trunk of the car. It was not broken into, so that worked out this time, although I think I might try one of the suggestions above next time, God forbid I need to go to Las Vegas again.

    I chose to keep it in the trunk while at the casino, because I was concerned our activities elsewhere increased our odds of interacting with LVMPD. We would load up off-site, so potential thieves wouldn't notice us loading or unloading valuables into the trunk.

    We completely ignored the unconstitutional gun law of North Las Vegas, but tried to keep a low profile when not at the apartment. I carry a S&W 642, a hammerless .38 special. My holster allows me to easily adjust my carry position from 1 o'clock to about 3:30, so I would try to keep it shielded from whichever angle seemed to have more possibly skittish sheep. I most commonly carried it in public about 2 o'clock, with my friend walking in front of me, not carrying, and my arm shielding it from the side. We did not want to be a constitutional test case.

    We spent most of our time in and around a weekly-rented apartment in tweakersville, North Las Vegas, trying to convince a friend to leave her tweaker boyfriend. Said tweakers friends apparently had gotten pretty riled up about that, and I believe the fact that we were open carrying, along with Divine intervention, kept us from having to shoot anybody, which is good, because I hate paperwork.

    In the end, she left with us, because she realized she wasn't helping herself or him at all by staying.

    I also got the best view ever of Las Vegas, which was in my rear-view mirror.

    As a rule most legal gun owners keep their distance from know drug users. Just my opinion however knowingly confronting a group of drug users is asinine. Knowingly confronting a group of drug users open carrying is ludicrous and asinine, just saying. If it had gone bad and an OCer had to use lethal force the prosecutors would say, they went into a know drug users apartment with guns ready for a fight. Hard for the armed aggressors to clam self-defense.

    Thousands of gun owners visiting Las Vegas every year it is amazing how much drama can happen to one. Front Sight gun training facility often times will have 2000 students a week, the majority from out of state with their guns and gear, all able to figure out how to stay in Las Vegas Hotels.

    Glad you took pleasure seeing Las Vegas in your rear-view mirror. If by some chance, you ever see Las Vegas in your windshield you can easily prevent a repeat of the drama by promptly turning around.
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    Hope you avoided Reno on the way home. Wouldn't want to risk offending you with a lack of free wifi. I typically find that birds of a feather flock together, so if you have close friends who date tweekers, I feel safe to say you and I run in different circles.

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    Question about OC and carrying an unloaded gun in a locked case at the Stratosp

    Indeed...

    You spend most of your visit in the worst part of our valley of over 2 million people and stay in one of the oldest casinos in the city and wonder why it wasn't the highlight of your life?

    Las Vegas, including North Vegas and Henderson as well as its unincorporated communities are wonderful places to live... and for the most part very clean, classy and friendly. Every city has its rough areas.

    I'm sorry if you had a bad experience but it certainly hasn't earned the slam you gave it. We have over 40 million visitors annually...must be something going right.

    FYI - there is no unconstitutional gun law when it comes to walking around in NLV. So it would seem you were constantly on edge trying to keep it out of folks field of view unnecessarily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpa View Post
    Wow. Thanks for your unsolicited opinion on the place most of us chose to call home. You should have taken the tweaker with you guys too. He would be right at home in Washington state where the state dog is the meth lab. Enjoy your "medicinal" marijuana.
    Um you complain about slamming Las Vegas which I fully agree with but why would you then slam Washington??????
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