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    Holder blasts 'stand your ground' after Zimmerman verdict

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    Instead, Holder took aim at "stand your ground" laws like the one in Florida that provides the right to respond with deadly force if attacked outside their home. Those laws "senselessly expand the concept of self-defense and sow dangerous conflict in our neighborhoods," he said.
    http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/16/politi...html?hpt=hp_t2

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    SYG corrects the senseless shrinking of self-defense laws. You should not have to run and hide. You should be able to face the threat where it happens and deal with it--or run and hide. The point is that rational people should be able to make that choice.
    Anyway, SYG has NOTHING to do with the Z case. Z was trapped under M's murderous body. He had nowhere to go to. He wasn't standing his ground. He was shooting or dying. Easy choice. Lawful choice to shoot. Duh, Mr. Holder, duh.

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    Complete and utter ignorance about what really happened and what laws actually applied.

    But what do you expect from a man who, unlike Zimmerman, is an actual criminal, held in contempt of the law-making body of the US Government?
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    Interesting that Holder mentioned how SYG laws undermine Public Safety. Clearly a law abiding citizen could give a rats ass about public safety if they or a member of there family's life was in clear and present danger.

    The anti tyrants want to put law abiding citizens lives in the hands of criminals that wish to do us harm.

    Are we as law abiding citizens expected to NOT defend our lives,our families lives just to satisfy some tyrants public safety concerns? NOT THIS CITIZEN!

    Let Holder and Corey surrender there weapons in the name of public safety. I'll just hold onto mine.

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    Another knee jerk that has nothing to do with the Zimmerman case. SYG wasn't even an issue there.
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    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Mr.Holder trying to appease the NAACP. He and they should be addressing the concern that 92% of violent crime committed against black folks is committed by other black folks.

    Off topic question. Is the NAACP prejudice against non colored folks? Just wondering.

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    There might be those that would prejudge others, but I think that are in the minority.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    There might be those that would prejudge others, but I think that are in the minority.
    (took two reads on this one!)
    If something is wrong for ONE person to do to another, it is still wrong if a BILLION people do it.

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    I've been reading comments and stories around the Internet about the M/Z case today. Now I've run into some really delusional anti-gun people before, but these people take the cake. These people must be on drugs, or living in some fantasy land that bears little resemblance to the real world. These people are clueless and beyond reason, if they're going to be outraged, maybe they should find something real to actually be outraged about.

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    This Is Scary

    Apparently, a unit within the Justice Department helped organize protests. Judicial Watch obtained a number of documents thru Freedom of Information Act requests.

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-r...rtin-protests/

    Just one item: "[Communit Relations Service] spent $1,142.84 “in Sanford, FL to work marches, demonstrations, and rallies related to the shooting and death of an African-American teen by a neighborhood watch captain."


    We're sliding into territory seen in the last decades of the Roman Republic (before the emporers). First, we have a sitting Atty General demogogueing against a law by totally distorting the situation.

    And, then we have his department actively supporting protests.

    Its one thing to have private individuals working up protests. Its something else entirely to have government getting itself involved.

    In the last decades of the Roman Republic, ambitious politicians with little regard for constitutional checks would assemble gangs to threaten others' supporters or voters or whatever. If I recall, organizing protests was part of their toolbox.

    Take a look at this again. Its one thing to have government plant agents provocatuers so a protest gets out of hand so the the water-cannons turn on, or to police protests to keep opposing sides apart and keep the peace. Its an entirely different matter for government to take sides. They've crossed the line into using protestors for political gain.
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    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Official government protests.

    Wow.

    An orwellian staple of totalitarian regimes. Shame on the Obama administration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina guy View Post
    (took two reads on this one!)
    What?

    Glad that someone appreciated it
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Official government protests.

    Wow.

    An orwellian staple of totalitarian regimes. Shame on the Obama administration.
    Oh, jeez, you're right! I didn't realize! Its positively North Korean!
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Holder blasts 'stand your ground' after Zimmerman verdict

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryclubjoe View Post
    Off topic question. Is the NAACP prejudice against non colored folks? Just wondering.

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    be careful you might be called racist for thinking logically and making sense. shame on you! (sarc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryclubjoe View Post
    Mr.Holder trying to appease the NAACP. He and they should be addressing the concern that 92% of violent crime committed against black folks is committed by other black folks.

    Off topic question. Is the NAACP prejudice against non colored folks? Just wondering.

    CCJ
    The NAACP is prejudiced against any citizen, regardless of their skin pigment, if that citizen holds a viewpoint that is counter to their liberal agenda. Dr. Ben Carson is a perfect example.

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    Disproportionate benefit from Florida SYG,

    "Black Floridians have made about a third of the state’s total “Stand Your Ground” claims in homicide cases, a rate nearly double the black percentage of Florida’s population. The majority of those claims have been successful, a success rate that exceeds that for Florida whites."

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/16/bl...rtionate-rate/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    "Black Floridians have made about a third of the state’s total “Stand Your Ground” claims in homicide cases, a rate nearly double the black percentage of Florida’s population. The majority of those claims have been successful, a success rate that exceeds that for Florida whites."

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/16/bl...rtionate-rate/
    Oh. My. God.

    This law is super racist against whites. Where is social justice!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    Oh. My. God. This law is super racist against whites. Where is social justice!?
    At the whim of the Federal Executive and his FedGov administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryclubjoe View Post
    Mr.Holder trying to appease the NAACP. He and they should be addressing the concern that 92% of violent crime committed against black folks is committed by other black folks.

    Off topic question. Is the NAACP prejudice against non colored folks? Just wondering.

    CCJ
    it is appalling that no one wants to address the thousands of black on black shootings but rather use them to exploit "gun crime" when it is really gang crime.

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    Holder blasts 'stand your ground' after Zimmerman verdict

    really? delete my post when there are many more "not in standard" heres the selective moderation again... thanks CNN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PFC HALE View Post
    really? delete my post when there are many more "not in standard" heres the selective moderation again... thanks CNN.
    Frankly, you've been pushing it for a while now in threads surrounding this issue. Much deserved.
    Last edited by marshaul; 07-17-2013 at 02:31 PM.

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    Holder blasts 'stand your ground' after Zimmerman verdict

    lol someone cant handle truth...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Complete and utter ignorance about what really happened and what laws actually applied.
    Why do you give him the benefit of the doubt? No way he's saying that out of ignorance. It's straight up propaganda.

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