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    Eric Holder Wants 'Stand Your Ground' Laws Reviewed

    Wow! Feds want to meddle unnecessarily again and for good reason. Holder gives a clue: "But we must examine laws that take this further by eliminating the common sense and age-old requirement that people who feel threatened have a duty to retreat, outside their home, if they can do so safely," Holder said. "By allowing -- and perhaps encouraging -- violent situations to escalate in public, such laws undermine public safety."

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...d-your-ground/

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    Attack On Stand Your Ground Laws

    Have you guys seen this yet? I was wondering when this would happen. I saw this on the news tonight and was disgusted. How can people still think this administration is looking out for the best interest of our nation?


    http://m.washingtonpost.com/politics...20d_story.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Law abider View Post
    Wow! Feds want to meddle unnecessarily again and for good reason. Holder gives a clue: "But we must examine laws that take this further by eliminating the common sense and age-old requirement that people who feel threatened have a duty to retreat, outside their home, if they can do so safely," Holder said. "By allowing -- and perhaps encouraging -- violent situations to escalate in public, such laws undermine public safety."

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...d-your-ground/

    How are state laws any f@#$ing business of the feds?

    Or are they proposing to do like what happened with the national speed limit, drinking age, BAC limit, etc. and withhold some kind of federal funding so states comply with what the feds want?

    I realize that on a gun owner site it will be hard to convince many of this, but the 2nd Amendment is NOT the most ignored/disobeyed Amendment. The 10th Amendment is!

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    Shouldn't he be concerned with FEDERAL ISSUES and keep his nose out of state issues?

    I guess we can't fix stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Law abider View Post
    Wow! Feds want to meddle unnecessarily again and for good reason. Holder gives a clue: "But we must examine laws that take this further by eliminating the common sense and age-old requirement that people who feel threatened have a duty to retreat, outside their home, if they can do so safely," Holder said. "By allowing -- and perhaps encouraging -- violent situations to escalate in public, such laws undermine public safety."

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...d-your-ground/
    There is a requirement in the law for people not to commit criminal acts against other people, too. There is no "duty to retreat" when one is attacked, the personal duty is to survive that attack. Put the blame where it belongs - on the perpetrator of crime, not on the victims. Boo-hoo for Trayvon, but Zimmerman was declared not guilty by "a jury of his peers" within the requirements of the law.

    If we need to "review" anything, there are millions of Americans who would like to see Obama's eligibility to hold the office of POTUS openly reviewed by Congress. There is probably an equal number that would like to see Holder's abuse of power in the DOJ reviewed by Congress... but then, he's already demonstrated his contempt of Congress and gotten away with it. Pax...
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    I'd like to know how "permantly" taking a violent perp. off the streets "undermines public safety"? Holders thinking , not ours!

    Gil223......WELL said.......couldn't put it any better than you just did!!!
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    I would love to see Holder pulled into hell by the devil himself..but we cant have everything we want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zack991 View Post
    I would love to see Holder pulled into hell by the devil himself..but we cant have everything we want.
    Obama would have to return home first, before he could pull Holder in. Pax...
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    My version of Texas AG Abbot's reply.....

    "Dear Mr Holder,
    We have reviewed our law and like it just the way it is.
    Mind your own damn business!

    Good Day, Sir"
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    Eric Holder Wants 'Stand Your Ground' Laws Reviewed

    Quote Originally Posted by mark-in-texas View Post
    My version of Texas AG Abbot's reply.....

    "Dear Mr Holder,
    We have reviewed our law and like it just the way it is.
    Mind your own damn business!

    Good Day, Sir"
    OR

    Dear Mr Holder,
    At your request we've reviewed our SYG laws and found them lacking as they are too weak and restricted the rights of our citizen's by restricting their rights of self defense. Rest assured we have rectified this.

    Again thank you for bringing this matter to our attention. ....


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    The only thing I want to know from Eric Holder is what he would like for his last meal before the firing squad. "It doesn't mean he will get it either".

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    I want E Holder to go to prison, my chance of getting my want are as great of his chances of getting his.
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    I thought that Eric Holder might run as a VP candidate with Anthony Wiener as president. 2016 ballot.... Just think about the signs...
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    Firstly as has been pointed out, this is none of the business of the federal government and they have no power over the states to restrict or eliminate any SYG laws, statute or otherwise. (yes I know, purse strings).

    Secondly, duty to retreat emboldens the criminal element because that limiting line over which they are not supposed to cross must move before it can move no longer. Fear is put in the hearts of the good people instead of the bad people where it really belongs.

    Thirdly, this man has a lot of gull when viewed in the light of his department's Fast and Furious operation. That along is grounds for a charge of high crimes and treason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    I want E Holder to go to prison, my chance of getting my want are as great of his chances of getting his.
    AS a visitor or a semi-permanent RESIDENT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    I want E Holder to go to prison, my chance of getting my want are as great of his chances of getting his.
    Extradited to Mexico for firearms violations and serve his time in a Mexican prison; fat chance of that either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F350 View Post
    Extradited to Mexico for firearms violations and serve his time in a Mexican orision; fat chance of that either.
    Might be a "fat chance" but I do like the sentiment!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3FULLMAGS+1 View Post
    I'd like to know how "permantly" taking a violent perp. off the streets "undermines public safety"? Holders thinking , not ours!!
    I think that strong SYG laws would allow for civilians to defend themselves during "late night visits" from those in authority. This is not a good thing if you are in the "stack" at the door. Disarm the people(that includes laws, not just weapons) and they are safer.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference .When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." -- George Washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    I think that strong SYG laws would allow for civilians to defend themselves during "late night visits" from those in authority. This is not a good thing if you are in the "stack" at the door. Disarm the people(that includes laws, not just weapons) and they are safer.
    Castle laws, not SYG.

    But yes, law enfarcement have definitely, willfully and intentionally, placed our rights between the job and "getting home at night". Having intentionally created this conflict, they must now eliminate those rights.

    The primary purpose of no-knock raids is to slowly erode the 4th amendment to nothingness. That, and because the raids are (I quote) "better than sex".
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    This administration is in love the Euro socialist model. Look to the UK and you will see what they are shooting for. The UK has laws that punish you for self defense in certain circumstances...I think they want that here.

    Also, just like Sandy Hook and background checks, the Zimmerman case which has motivated this discussion has nothing to do with the law or retreat. Zimmerman was on his back being straddled by Martin and couldn't retreat.

    More bait and switch from the "most transparent" administration ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    Castle laws, not SYG.

    But yes, law enfarcement have definitely, willfully and intentionally, placed our rights between the job and "getting home at night". Having intentionally created this conflict, they must now eliminate those rights.

    The primary purpose of no-knock raids is to slowly erode the 4th amendment to nothingness. That, and because the raids are (I quote) "better than sex".
    This. Just like other rights erosion we have seen over the decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black_water View Post
    This administration is in love the Euro socialist model. Look to the UK and you will see what they are shooting for. The UK has laws that punish you for self defense in certain circumstances...I think they want that here.

    Also, just like Sandy Hook and background checks, the Zimmerman case which has motivated this discussion has nothing to do with the law or retreat. Zimmerman was on his back being straddled by Martin and couldn't retreat.

    More bait and switch from the "most transparent" administration ever.
    They do love the Euro model but perhaps even more so, a stronger socialist model bordering on communism. As for punishing the people for defending themselves, that is a state issue and I don't see many of the states willing to go along with the feds if they pushed in that direction. The one thing the feds could do is tighten the purse strings, something we should never have allowed them to control in the first place. But I can't see how they could pass laws at the federal level which would restrict our rights in this area.

    If there is a way for them to do something like this, other than amending the Constitution, I would love to hear it.
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