Despite the costly, greatly limited, and time-consuming privilege recently and graciously granted by IL legislators , neither now nor when the privilege cards are issued will IL residents have a RIGHT to keep and bear arms.
Is anyone aware of any planned efforts to challenge the legislators actions as STILL not being in line with the recent court decision?
C'mon folks! Give us a little time! We just got our foot in the door of one of the most dictocratic "blue" states.
We can probably all agree that this law is a P.o.S., but it IS a start. Considering how long Illinois (and especially Shicago!) has been blocking this, it will take some time, careful, responsible people, and damn few mistakes of ANY kind to change public perception.
Granted, it's not so bad downstate, except in East St. Louis and St. Clair county, but Springfield and parts northeast of there need convincing.
Give us time - we've just begun.
My point is that you've now got a privilege - not a right - which is what I understand the court to have said was denied.
So my question stands: is anyone aware of any planned efforts to challenge the legislators actions as STILL not being in line with the recent court decision?
Last edited by BB62; 07-24-2013 at 01:33 PM.
BB62 - as I said, "it's a start". You're correct that this is now a "priviledge" that can be denied or recinded, denying us the right to protect ourselves outside the home. If I read the various opinions from more knowledgeable individuals, this would now take a NEW lawsuit because Illinois has passed this sad excuse of a law.
It will also take some damn good PR and NO mistakes by "early adopters" to change the "sheeple's" perceptions of CC.
It might also take some major screw-ups by certain pompous LEOs (or their departments) to make people get off their backsides and say "Wait a minute!" before they change.
Takes time but we are working on it.
But Stiehl’s 10-page ruling agreed with the position of Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan’s office: Challenging the legality of the span state police have to set up the program would require Shepard and the state rifle group to file a new complaint spelling out why such a wait is onerous or illegal.
Told ya ... read the Shepard complaint and you would have to agree ..
Mary Shepard and ISRA have filed an for an emergency injunction against enforcement of UUW laws pending the appeal with the 7th Circuit Court of appeals. Also action to expedite.
They request the orders given the district court by the 7th Circuit be entered as ordered.
Back to my original question: despite the costly, greatly limited, and time-consuming privilege recently and graciously granted by IL legislators , neither now nor when the privilege cards are issued will IL residents have a RIGHT to keep and bear arms.
Is anyone aware of any planned efforts to challenge the legislators actions as STILL not being in line with the court decision re: the Second Amendment still doesn't apply to IL?
UUW Unlawful use of a weapon and AGG UUW, Aggravated.
And Illinois has now passed "Privilege to Carry" not Right to Carry. We have a long way to go.
Link to motion for injunction
EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....
“If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”
Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...
All power is inherent in the people,
it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!
Motion for Emergency injunction: DENIED!
Motion to expedite: GRANTED!
Brief deadline Aug 18.
Wis. CCL #5x Springfield XDM 3.8 Compact .40 S&W, Utah CFP
Personally I think there is a short window to argue that open carry is a right denied in Illinois regardless of how long the CCL delays the limited concealed permission slips. The 7th CA decision said the old AUUW law was unconstitutional because it denied any method of carry, not concealed carry.
Not that the NRA, ISRA, or " The website that shall not be named " would ever support open carry.
Soylent Green is made out of people.
Last edited by kurt555gs; 08-02-2013 at 10:30 PM.
Just like NC(State V Kerner) it will take a court ruling in Illinois for there to be state wide OC. The lobbyists have a vested interest in pay for carry schemes that they will never let go of. The only way Il will relent is kicking and screaming, because it seems the gun owning public will not hold the lobbyists accountable.
Somebody will have to put their foot in the hot water to ever solve this problem.
Originally Posted by Primus
WW -you may be right but I hope it doesn't come to that.
Considering the "mule-ish" stubborness of the Illinois legislature, they are going to stall as long as they can.