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    Who's packing? CPL rates in Washington counties

    http://www.king5.com/news/local/Whos...216826761.html


    Nationally, people have been applying for concealed pistol licenses at unprecedented rates. Experts say fear of gun legislation and some violent national events are likely factors.

    The Washington State Department of Licensing released figures on concealed pistol licenses permits by county.

    INTERACTIVE: Washington Map showing CPL rates by county

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Starks View Post
    http://www.king5.com/news/local/Whos...216826761.html


    Nationally, people have been applying for concealed pistol licenses at unprecedented rates. Experts say fear of gun legislation and some violent national events are likely factors.

    The Washington State Department of Licensing released figures on concealed pistol licenses permits by county.

    INTERACTIVE: Washington Map showing CPL rates by county
    There is always something off in the way they present the numbers, in this case they don't account for people under 21 or felons within the counties population, this normally adds a few percent as it represents the percent of people able to obtain a cpl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapmonkay View Post
    There is always something off in the way they present the numbers, in this case they don't account for people under 21 or felons within the counties population, this normally adds a few percent as it represents the percent of people able to obtain a cpl.
    They're just noting the CPLs in a population. Since, we're not talking number of people in an age group or number of felons in a population, it doesn't matter. I know you knew this. Let's not make this too difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Starks View Post
    http://www.king5.com/news/local/Whos...216826761.html


    Nationally, people have been applying for concealed pistol licenses at unprecedented rates. Experts say fear of gun legislation and some violent national events are likely factors.

    The Washington State Department of Licensing released figures on concealed pistol licenses permits by county.

    INTERACTIVE: Washington Map showing CPL rates by county
    That way they'll know who to go to for guns first........
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCKilla View Post
    They're just noting the CPLs in a population. Since, we're not talking number of people in an age group or number of felons in a population, it doesn't matter. I know you knew this. Let's not make this too difficult.
    I realize that, its just not really a relevant number. All I was saying is with a little bit more research they could have looked at census data and narrowed the population to 21+ age groups and given a more relevant number, the estimated percent of eligible adults that posses a cpl.
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    My youngest Son got his CPL this month. It took less than a week. Cool.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference .When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." -- George Washington

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    I love how they twist the facts. King county has the lowest % of conceal carry, when in fact they have the most. That's mass media for you, twist the facts to your political agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsanchez View Post
    I love how they twist the facts. King county has the lowest % of conceal carry, when in fact they have the most. That's mass media for you, twist the facts to your political agenda.
    King county likely does in fact have the lowest percentage of CPLs, they likely don't have the lowest number though, which is what I will assume your trying to say.
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    Kitsap county needs to kick it in gear!
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapmonkay View Post
    King county likely does in fact have the lowest percentage of CPLs, they likely don't have the lowest number though, which is what I will assume your trying to say.
    That's what I was going to say, the "legal" ratio might be low, but there are many who don't ask permission to carry.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    woo-hoo Kitsap County at 9%!

    although whatever happened to the previous map king5 did that showed CPL holders by telephone exchange or voter precinct or something local like that, because last time they did the map my local area had like 17%.

    and then Lynden, WA had like 55%

    just for the record, we have higher per-capita CCW then Texas. 450,000 licenses in WA out of 6 million people versus like 580,000 licenses in TX out of 25,000,000 people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    woo-hoo Kitsap County at 9%!

    although whatever happened to the previous map king5 did that showed CPL holders by telephone exchange or voter precinct or something local like that, because last time they did the map my local area had like 17%.

    and then Lynden, WA had like 55%

    just for the record, we have higher per-capita CCW then Texas. 450,000 licenses in WA out of 6 million people versus like 580,000 licenses in TX out of 25,000,000 people.

    Actually, its closer to 440,000 CPLs here, as noted in my Examiner column a week ago. At that time, the number was 437,000 and change. It's up but the rate is slowing down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
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    just for the record, we have higher per-capita CCW then Texas. 450,000 licenses in WA out of 6 million people versus like 580,000 licenses in TX out of 25,000,000 people.
    Except lots of Texas residents have non-resident permits from other states that are recognized in Texas. Unlike Washington, Texas residents can carry on non-Texas permits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ak56 View Post
    Except lots of Texas residents have non-resident permits from other states that are recognized in Texas. Unlike Washington, Texas residents can carry on non-Texas permits.
    There's a big effort lately to require Texas residents to carry Texas licenses in order to CC. There's strong suspicion that many CC instructors are partly to blame for the effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ()pen(arry View Post
    There's a big effort lately to require Texas residents to carry Texas licenses in order to CC. There's strong suspicion that many CC instructors are partly to blame for the effort.
    True, but they haven't accomplished that yet. What they did manage to do, was to pressure Utah into changing it's requirements for non-resident permits so that if Utah recognizes your states permit, they will now only issue if you already have one from your home state. So they got Utah to do some of their dirty-work for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ak56 View Post
    True, but they haven't accomplished that yet. What they did manage to do, was to pressure Utah into changing it's requirements for non-resident permits so that if Utah recognizes your states permit, they will now only issue if you already have one from your home state. So they got Utah to do some of their dirty-work for them.
    Well they can always go to the beautiful Evergreen State to get a cheap license with no training requirement recognized in Texas...
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Well they can always go to the beautiful Evergreen State to get a cheap license with no training requirement recognized in Texas...
    Yep.
    No right is held more sacred, or is more carefully guarded, by the common law than the right of every individual to the possession and control of his own person, free from all restraint or interference of others, unless by clear and unquestionable authority of law. Union Pacific Rail Co. vs Botsford as quoted in Terry v Ohio.


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