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    TM Phone texts

    This is a link to the supplemental phone records of Trayvon Martin that the jury did not get to see. Interesting insight into the mind of a "gangsta" wannabe.

    http://www.gzlegalcase.com/index.php...ments?start=18
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    Someone needs to start TrayvonMartinWasaThug.com. The site would probably attract national media attention (decrying it) which would cause a lot of visitors. Some eyes would be opened and minds changed.


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    I don't see what Martin's (or Zimmerman's) past had ANYTHING to do with that night.

    If the shooting was justified or not should be based SOLELY on the events that unfolded that night.
    No man alive can beat me in a fair fight: It's not fair to chase a man down and beat him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    I don't see what Martin's (or Zimmerman's) past had ANYTHING to do with that night.

    If the shooting was justified or not should be based SOLELY on the events that unfolded that night.
    Since the media chose to exploit, obscure and falsify GZ's past, as well as the events (purported or actual) of the night, and the prosecution did the same in order to create dark implications, I think its entirely appropriate to examine Trayvon Martin, media creation: who was clearly just returning from choir practice with his hymnal, versus the actual Trayvon Martin: pot-using, "gangsta", kicked out of school, possessor of stolen goods, etc, etc.

    If supposed mindset is good for the goose, it's good for the gander.
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    I don't understand the motivation to continue to try and smear TM. He's dead already, the case has been settled. Let it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    I don't understand the motivation to continue to try and smear TM. He's dead already, the case has been settled. Let it go.
    What is your definition of "smearing", and who is "smearing" TM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    I don't see what Martin's (or Zimmerman's) past had ANYTHING to do with that night.

    If the shooting was justified or not should be based SOLELY on the events that unfolded that night.
    Their past goes to show who is more likely to have attacked who since there is no video proof showing exactly how the events unfolded. Someone who dresses/acts like a thug and has bragged about his fighting ability is far more likely to have thrown the first punch (or been the person on top) than someone who was constantly described as a whimp.

    As such, their past is what helps determine the credibility of the story as put forward by the only surviving witness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    I don't understand the motivation to continue to try and smear TM. He's dead already, the case has been settled. Let it go.
    The case has been legally settled, but George Zimmerman will forever have to look over his shoulder in fear of his life.

    Every mind we change about TM makes one less person on the hunt for "a white boy" to attack.

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    This is far bigger than just Martin and Zimmerman; this is about culture, the media and our current administration.

    Our POTUS decided to pick a side early on and still sticks to that side. We had a media that at best distorted information (Zimmerman's race and his injuries) and at worst fabricated information (NBC doctoring the 911 tapes). We have a culture that seems to think that when one demographic does something it is perfectly fine, but when another does it is not.

    For example:

    When did wearing hoods that obscure who you are become ok?
    When did skulking around at night become ok?
    When did turning on and beating someone simply for following you become ok?
    Who was the one making racist comments?

    So if a white guy in a hood, waiting for a black guy who was following him, jumped him and beat him, made racist remarks etc, what would the sides be saying about that?

    This case was more about character than anyone would like to admit. TM was portrayed as some child with candy and GZ was portrayed as some racist white guy who simply did not like black kids. We were inundated with this for what seemed like forever. Now the jury has given a verdict and we still have people out there spewing the lies put out there by the media, trying to have Stand your ground laws repealed etc. Trayvon Martin's father was on capital hill wanted a fed law to repeal SYG laws and have that named after his son.

    Now, if truth was what was portrayed none of this drama would have unfolded this way. So, I agree with people, this case is hardly settled and TM, our POTUS and the media have a lot to answer for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB62 View Post
    If supposed mindset is good for the goose, it's good for the gander.
    It is not good for the goose, is it still good for the gander? When did two wrongs make a right? The only information that should have been allowed was the facts that happened that night. Not facts to lead to an opinion on the situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aknazer View Post
    Their past goes to show who is more likely...
    It does not. The past leads the the present, but you cannot safely judge the present by the past.
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    Tell that to the credit agency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    I don't see what Martin's (or Zimmerman's) past had ANYTHING to do with that night...
    In reality, or in a court of law? In reality, I think that TM's past (as well as that of his "mother" and "father") had everything to do with his present condition.

    In a court of law, however, when the prosecutor brought in Z's past, TM's past was fair game. If you don't like that, complain to the prosecutor - but you're living in a dream world if you think the appropriate thing for Z's attorneys to do was to ignore the potential negative effect of the prosecutor's approach to their client's freedom - and tie their own hands.


    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    ...If the shooting was justified or not should be based SOLELY on the events that unfolded that night.
    Agreed. So, please tell us just exactly what unfolded that night, and cite your proof.

    For clarity, I mean what specific events/actions took place, by whom, and in what order - and of course, cite your proof.
    Last edited by BB62; 07-30-2013 at 04:56 PM. Reason: clarification

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvertongue View Post
    The case has been legally settled, but George Zimmerman will forever have to look over his shoulder in fear of his life.

    Every mind we change about TM makes one less person on the hunt for "a white boy" to attack.
    That's the response I would have wanted to post had I thought of it. Thanks for posting it.

    Or, in the words of many of my students when I was a teacher, "He took my answer."


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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    It does not. The past leads the the present, but you cannot safely judge the present by the past.
    Well GZ said that TM attacked him and was on top of him. Since he said it and his past doesn't matter, that should be credible, right? Oh wait, but TM's parents said that would never happen and that their son was a good 12 year old (oh wait, that's just what he looked like in the initial pictures released) kid would never do such things. So, who do you believe and why? As it is a he-said/she-said type of case, their past very much plays into their credibility when combined with the facts. Why does it matter? Because short of video+audio showing 100% what happened, it is one's word against another and you need some way to come to a conclusion of what you believe happened. And given that we are talking about court, the prosecution needs to show that their version of events is what happened "beyond reasonable doubt" and the past in regards to fighting helps to throw doubt on that.

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    More to the point, M's character at trial being or not being a valid issue aside, his character was raised as an issue in the public consciousness through the media, causing the hazards that Z now faces. So that character is valid grist for the social media mill, of which OCDO is a part.

    It is in the best interest of those who believe in the GGONIYP* Right of self-defense to ensure that the truth is out there about angelic little M.

    * God given (or natural, if you prefer). I have tired of typing this out and will abbreviate it from now on.


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    I think this thread has heard the last of those who encourage us to please, PLEASE ignore reality and solely think with our hearts.

    The use of emotionalism is just what the lynch mobs (now and then) prefer, but when faced with requests for logic and reason, they disappear like vampires upon seeing a crucifix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB62 View Post
    I think this thread has heard the last of those who encourage us to please, PLEASE ignore reality and solely think with our hearts.

    The use of emotionalism is just what the lynch mobs (now and then) prefer, but when faced with requests for logic and reason, they disappear like vampires upon seeing a crucifix.
    Lynch-mobs are democracy in action.

    I believe that Zimmerman acted in self-defense and I also believe that TM was not some good little boy.

    When I heard the opening statements from the prosecutor, I knew that the prosecutor has a losing case and was wasting the people's time and money being there. His opening statements damned him from the get go.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    Lynch-mobs are democracy in action...
    Democracy, maybe.

    It's a good thing we have a republic instead, though various forces (racial racketeers, Obummer, leftists, etc.) are doing all they can to change that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F350 View Post
    EXTREAMLY TELLING ABOUT TM...
    Or maybe extremely.

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