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    Armed citizen takes down auto thief

    Very cool. Just had an armed citizen chase a person down who stole his car, chase her on foot, apprehend her and hold her pending our arrival. No shots fired, and no muss, no fuss. Like most citizen (and cop) uses of force, the bad guy is in custody with minimal force (actually bad girl) and she's off to jail!

    Another positive story of a lawfully armed person (concealed not open, though) helping to thwart crime

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    SHE JUST BAILED OUT OF THE TRUCK ON *** AVE SE, THE TRUCK IS STILL IN GEAR..NO LONGER HAVE RP ON THE LINE HE'S TRYING TO STOP THE VEHILCE..
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    Must be nice to live in a state where the use of lethak force is allowed for the protection of property. Most of us live where the mere mention of a handgun, let alone the display, will get you into more trouble than the BG who was stealing your stuff.

    Effecting a citizen's arrrest (apprehend and detain) camn also get yu in a lot of hot water if you do not dot all the "t's" and cross all the "i's".

    It sux that the system is set up that way, but that is the way the world is shaped for an awful lot of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Must be nice to live in a state where the use of lethak force is allowed for the protection of property. Most of us live where the mere mention of a handgun, let alone the display, will get you into more trouble than the BG who was stealing your stuff.

    Effecting a citizen's arrrest (apprehend and detain) camn also get yu in a lot of hot water if you do not dot all the "t's" and cross all the "i's".

    It sux that the system is set up that way, but that is the way the world is shaped for an awful lot of us.

    stay safe.
    I was thinking the same thing. I'm glad it all worked out, and I'm a little surprised the 'authorities' didn't try to nail him to the wall, assuming they didn't..

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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator View Post
    I was thinking the same thing. I'm glad it all worked out, and I'm a little surprised the 'authorities' didn't try to nail him to the wall, assuming they didn't..
    isaid he was armed and prepared obviously. He never took his gun from his holster. If he shot her while she was absconding, that would not be justified.

    Holding her at gunpoint would be. But he merely held her down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Must be nice to live in a state where the use of lethak force is allowed for the protection of property. Most of us live where the mere mention of a handgun, let alone the display, will get you into more trouble than the BG who was stealing your stuff.

    Effecting a citizen's arrrest (apprehend and detain) camn also get yu in a lot of hot water if you do not dot all the "t's" and cross all the "i's".

    It sux that the system is set up that way, but that is the way the world is shaped for an awful lot of us.

    stay safe.
    he did not use deadly force nor did I imply he did. I said he was armed, not that he fired. holding her at gunpoint would be fine, shooting her would not be - assuming she was running away

    We are fine with people holding felons at gunpoint, but again he did no such thing, nor did I say he did.

    However by being armed, he was prepared for the worst
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    Ayup! If the apprehension did not warrant lethal force, and a firearm was displayed it could mean trouble for the citizen. LAC carry for one reason only, and that is self defense. The person in this case is very lucky things didn't go south.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PALO View Post
    he did not use deadly force nor did I imply he did. I said he was armed, not that he fired. holding her at gunpoint would be fine, shooting her would not be - assuming she was running away

    Holding at gunpoint IMO IS
    the threat of lethal force. This is not a good incident to show what citizen carry is for. The citizen is very lucky not to be facing charges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Ayup! If the apprehension did not warrant lethal force, and a firearm was displayed it could mean trouble for the citizen. LAC carry for one reason only, and that is self defense. The person in this case is very lucky things didn't go south.
    In my jurisdiction, we have NO PROBLEM with citizens holding auto thieves and burglars at gunpoint. I've investigated over 2 dozen such incidents. In exactly zero did the armed citizen get in trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post

    Holding at gunpoint IMO IS
    the threat of lethal force. This is not a good incident to show what citizen carry is for. The citizen is very lucky not to be facing charges.
    facing charges for what?

    He never took his gun from his holster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PALO View Post
    facing charges for what?

    He never took his gun from his holster.
    Make up your mind, in your previous post you posted holding at gunpoint. You need to be at least consistent. Do you have a media citation for this event?
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    I'm seeing a lack of reading comprehension. I never said he held her at gunpoint. Read my original post. I merely said he was armed

    In a later post I said that IN MY JURISDICTION WE ARE totally cool with citizens holding auto thieves and burglars at gunpoint.

    That's not my opinion. It's my experience in over two dozen such incidents I havew personally invesatigated . In none of those instances did the citizen get in any trouble whatsoever.

    YOUR jurisdiction may handle things differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Make up your mind, in your previous post you posted holding at gunpoint. You need to be at least consistent. Do you have a media citation for this event?
    d her

    Jesus christ. REad my original post. I said he was armed. I never said he her AT GUNPOINT. i SAID *if * he held her at gunpoint, we would have no problem with that;

    Please cite where I said he DIDI hold her at gunpoint

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    Still waiting on that citation? And it seems this is not a incident then that involves open carry, or the right to keep and bear arms. Since you say the firearm was not part of the incident. IOW it has nothing to do with this site, it is not open carry related.
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    For the reading comprehension impaired. HERE'S MY OP

    Very cool. Just had an armed citizen chase a person down who stole his car, chase her on foot, apprehend her and hold her pending our arrival. No shots fired, and no muss, no fuss. Like most citizen (and cop) uses of force, the bad guy is in custody with minimal force (actually bad girl) and she's off to jail!

    Another positive story of a lawfully armed person (concealed not open, though) helping to thwart crime



    Nowhere did I say he drew his gun or held her at gunpoint

    PERIOD.

    In a later post I said *if* he held her at gunpoint, we (the cops) would have NO PROBLEM with that. I have investigated over two dozen incidents of armed citizens holding auto thieves and burglars at gunpoint. In NONE of them did they get in troublde

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Make up your mind, in your previous post you posted holding at gunpoint. You need to be at least consistent. Do you have a media citation for this event?
    Dude.

    He has always said the citizen never took the gun from the holster.


    What this has to do with the dude having a gun still escapes me. If he was totally unarmed, the situation would have played out exactly the same way. :dunno:

    Good story though. At least he didn't sit around and wait for someone else to fix his problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PALO View Post
    For the reading comprehension impaired. HERE'S MY OP

    Very cool. Just had an armed citizen chase a person down who stole his car, chase her on foot, apprehend her and hold her pending our arrival. No shots fired, and no muss, no fuss. Like most citizen (and cop) uses of force, the bad guy is in custody with minimal force (actually bad girl) and she's off to jail!

    Another positive story of a lawfully armed person (concealed not open, though) helping to thwart crime



    Nowhere did I say he drew his gun or held her at gunpoint

    PERIOD.

    In a later post I said *if* he held her at gunpoint, we (the cops) would have NO PROBLEM with that. I have investigated over two dozen incidents of armed citizens holding auto thieves and burglars at gunpoint. In NONE of them did they get in troublde
    Apparently you have no comprehension of your own post. The gun according to you in follow up posts had absolutely nothing do with the apprehension. So it has nothing to do with being lawfully armed, unless you are suggesting that because people are armed they should play cop and chase down suspects, and people who are not should cower. The more you post the more foolish it gets.

    I still waiting on that citation? BTW where are you a cop? I want to make sure I do not go where it is acceptable for people to wave around guns for non self defense reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Still waiting on that citation? And it seems this is not a incident then that involves open carry, or the right to keep and bear arms. Since you say the firearm was not part of the incident. IOW it has nothing to do with this site, it is not open carry related.
    Im still waiting for you to support your claim. I never said he drew his gun or held her at gunpoint. You assumed that./

    For christ's sake

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Apparently you have no comprehension of your own post. The gun according to you in follow up posts had absolutely nothing do with the apprehension. So it has nothing to do with being lawfully armed, unless you are suggesting that because people are armed they should play cop and chase down suspects, and people who are not should cower. The more you post the more foolish it gets.

    I still waiting on that citation? BTW where are you a cop? I want to make sure I do not go where it is acceptable for people to wave around guns for non self defense reasons.
    Again, you made a claim. Support it. where did I ever say he drew his gun and/or pointed it at anyone? Still backpedaling
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    you said "Make up your mind, in your previous post you posted holding at gunpoint. You need to be at least consistent. Do you have a media citation for this event? "

    I NEVER said he held her at gunpoint. Support your claim/.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PALO View Post
    Again, you made a claim. Support it. where did I ever say he drew his gun and/or pointed it at anyone? Still backpedaling
    You are making the claims, YOU said lawfully armed, then later you brought up holding at gunpoint, you didn't clarify. This incident has NOTHING to do with lawfully armed by your own posts. You have yourself confused. This incident has nothing to do with open carry or RKBA. The person was not open carrying, did not use the their gun, and is no different than a unarmed person making a citizens arrest.

    Still waiting on that citation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    You are making the claims, YOU said lawfully armed, then later you brought up holding at gunpoint, you didn't clarify. This incident has NOTHING to do with lawfully armed by your own posts. You have yourself confused. This incident has nothing to do with open carry or RKBA. The person was not open carrying, did not use the their gun, and is no different than a unarmed person making a citizens arrest.

    Still waiting on that citation?
    Exactly. You ASSUMED he drew his gun and held her at gunpoint despite the fact I never said that. I merely said he was armed. I just booked her for pete' sake. And my agency does not issue press releases (nor does the press report on) routine auto theft arrests. That's the NRA's point in their mag. The vast majority of defensive uses of guns, let alone citizen arrests where the person is armed but does not use their gun, are never reported by the media. Does your local PD issue press releases for a routine auto theft arrest? Mine doesn't.

    I'm happy to live in a jurisdiction where ordinary citizens can and do hold people at gunpoint for auto theft and burglary. Happens not infrequently.

    If I make a traffic stop of a stolen car, I make the stop at gunpoint, btw. That's common sense felony stop procedures.

    Next time try some reading comprehension. He told hme he would not have gone after her if he wasn't armed. The firearm gave him the confidence to give chase and make the arrest. Good for him. As an unarmed citizen he would not have done so.

    I'm not going to expect intellectual honesty from you and see you admit you fabricated that I said he held her at gunpoint. But the thread speaks for itself. I never made that claim

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    You made the lawfully armed citizen claim, not I. You made the holding at gun point claim with NO clarification, not I. You then later admitted that this incident had nothing to do with the citizen being lawfully armed, OC, or RKBA.

    And we are still waiting on a citation for this incident.
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    Hey Wacking Wolf, you need to simmer down. You're at a 9. Bring it down to a 3.5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Must be nice to live in a state where the use of lethak force is allowed for the protection of property. Most of us live where the mere mention of a handgun, let alone the display, will get you into more trouble than the BG who was stealing your stuff.

    Effecting a citizen's arrrest (apprehend and detain) camn also get yu in a lot of hot water if you do not dot all the "t's" and cross all the "i's".

    It sux that the system is set up that way, but that is the way the world is shaped for an awful lot of us.

    stay safe.
    The way the law is written here is: You can use whatever force is necessary to stop any felony and apprehend the perp, as long as the felony happens in you presence. If the felony is against your person, you can use your firearm to do more than threaten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    You made the lawfully armed citizen claim, not I. You made the holding at gun point claim with NO clarification, not I. You then later admitted that this incident had nothing to do with the citizen being lawfully armed, OC, or RKBA.

    And we are still waiting on a citation for this incident.
    There is no media article to cite, PALO is a LEO with first hand knowledge of the incident. I don't know what was so confusing, I understand what he said. I think it does fit here (a lot more than most threads lately) the person (not "citizen", word not allowed in Seattle anymore) since he did have a gun, and stopped a felony, and wasn't harassed by the police for doing so.

    It may have been concealed, but almost all of us conceal at some point due to weather, clothing, or situation. The import point was that a felony in our local area was stopped by a LAP with no injuries, and the good guy not getting busted for doing the right thing. The GG was armed, and had the ability the stop the action. The fact he didn't have to draw is a bonus. My .02.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PALO View Post
    isaid he was armed and prepared obviously. He never took his gun from his holster. If he shot her while she was absconding, that would not be justified.

    Holding her at gunpoint would be. But he merely held her down.
    My bad.

    I feel like I just failed a test. heh

    On a side note, you could definitely work for the media. lol

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