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    Can you get your cpl after a dwls conviction?

    Hello and thank you for taking the time to read my question. In March of 2013 I pled guilty to a dwls ticket, paid my fine and received no probation or any other requirements from the court. This is the only dwls conviction I have received. I would like to obtain my cpl but I am unsure if I can do to the dwls conviction. I checked the Michigan State Police website for the requirements but it's a little misleading (at least for me). I'm sure everyone that has a cpl in Michigan has seen this before but I will post it just for reference sake.


    12. Have not been convicted of one of the following misdemeanors in the 8 years immediately preceding the date of application:

    Failing to stop when involved in a personal injury accident, MCL 257.617a
    Operating while intoxicated, second offense, MCL 257.625(9)(b)
    Drunk driving, commercial vehicle, MCL 257.625m(4)
    Reckless driving, MCL 257.626
    Driving while license suspended or revoked, second or subsequent offense, MCL 257.90

    I'm not sure if this is saying that you can not have a dwls in the last 8 years or if you can't have a second dwls in the last past 8 years. Anyone know the answer to this question?

    My licence was suspened from 2005 when I was stopped and got a no proof ticket and didn't pay it so they suspeneded my licence. Got stopped again in 2013 when I got hit with the dwls.

    Ok. So just to clear this issue up incase anyone else has this question. I just talked to the Oakland county clerks office (where you submit your paperwork for your cpl) and it turns out that the dwls 1st office doesn't restrict your right to obtain a cpl. Thank you everyone for your responses.
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    But why was your license suspended?

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    I read it as second offence. Do you have to go in front of a gun board in your county ? Some will use it to deny you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40sc View Post
    But why was your license suspended?
    Very important question. That could make all the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by casper View Post
    Very important question. That could make all the difference.
    I'm guessing DUI ...

    I myself see no correlation between a DUI or other motor vehicle issue as having any bearing on gun rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I'm guessing DUI ...

    I myself see no correlation between a DUI or other motor vehicle issue as having any bearing on gun rights.
    Probably looking at your responsibility level. If your willing to drink and drive, then why wouldn't you drink and shoot ? We may be on the wrong track though. Lets wait and see why it was suspended.
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    I don't see why it matters why his license was suspended simply the fact he was convicted of dwls. The way it reads to me you'd have to have to be convicted of it more than one time. If you've only been convicted once then you're good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40sc View Post
    But why was your license suspended?
    He got a no proof of insurance ticket in 2005, didn't pay it, and it caught up to him. The system sure must be slow there for it to take 7 years to catch up.
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    That should not be a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    He got a no proof of insurance ticket in 2005, didn't pay it, and it caught up to him. The system sure must be slow there for it to take 7 years to catch up.
    He probably hadn't been stopped in the past 7 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by casper View Post
    Probably looking at your responsibility level. If your willing to drink and drive, then why wouldn't you drink and shoot ? We may be on the wrong track though. Lets wait and see why it was suspended.
    Its jumping to conclusions dui=drunken shooting rampage ....

    Then anyone who drinks cannot own is the logical next step.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    He got a no proof of insurance ticket in 2005, didn't pay it, and it caught up to him. The system sure must be slow there for it to take 7 years to catch up.
    Thanks for the info...still has zip to do with gun rights, yes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Thanks for the info...still has zip to do with gun rights, yes?
    Nope but a permit has nothing to do with rights either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Nope but a permit has nothing to do with rights either.
    Quoted for truth!!!
    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Its jumping to conclusions dui=drunken shooting rampage ....

    Then anyone who drinks cannot own is the logical next step.
    Your right of coarse, I'm just guessing the reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yooper View Post
    He probably hadn't been stopped in the past 7 years.
    Proof he is an excellent driver ... possibly a model driver (lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by casper View Post
    Your right of coarse....
    Oh the cringes you cause in me.

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    Does the OP have the MCL # he was found/plead guilty to?

    It should be on his court papers.

    If he can't find it, his lawyer should know.

    Knowing the exact MCL he was found/plead guilty to would help to answer his question more precisely.
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