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    My wife and I both applied for our CCW permits - after over 4 long months of waiting, I wrote to the attorney general ND last week and asked the status - Well today my wife received her permit and I received a denial letter stating I made a mis-statement on my application under criminal history - they recommended I get the PD to print out my history and I am banned from re-applying for 1 year!!! I never intentionally left anything off my history - I knew they would check so why would I??
    To be blocked from a CCW for a year is maddening - I did every thing they asked and paid the money. I've had 3 DUI's in the past 20 years. Nothing more.
    I'm just upset - thanks for letting me vent..

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    3 DUI's

    Sorry, but that shows a sincere lack of personal responsibility.

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    did the OP sign a statement that he did not leave anything out? There's the problem then .. wait 1 yr and re-apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by airblainer View Post
    My wife and I both applied for our CCW permits - after over 4 long months of waiting, I wrote to the attorney general ND last week and asked the status - Well today my wife received her permit and I received a denial letter stating I made a mis-statement on my application under criminal history - they recommended I get the PD to print out my history and I am banned from re-applying for 1 year!!! I never intentionally left anything off my history - I knew they would check so why would I??
    To be blocked from a CCW for a year is maddening - I did every thing they asked and paid the money. I've had 3 DUI's in the past 20 years. Nothing more.
    I'm just upset - thanks for letting me vent..
    I can find nothing in ND law that would prohibit a resident from carrying on an out of state carry license that they recognize. I recommend you get one and in another year re-apply.

    On another note, you should really consider not drinking alcohol anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40sc View Post
    3 DUI's

    Sorry, but that shows a sincere lack of personal responsibility.
    It does for sure, but if there are (which their are) cops in Michigan with violent criminal histories who can carry guns (even though an average person similarly situated could not get a carry license) with impunity under state law and under LEOSA, then the OP should be able to as well.

    Until 18 USC 925 is repealed. I'll reserve judgment on others since government employees are exempt from ALL federal prohibited possessor laws except for Lautenberg DV.

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    Not to put to sharp a point on it but can we clarify?

    3 DUI's 20 years ago or 3 DUI's in the last 20 years with the most recent last week?

    Yep, THAT does make a difference to me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by airblainer View Post
    My wife and I both applied for our CCW permits - after over 4 long months of waiting, I wrote to the attorney general ND last week and asked the status - Well today my wife received her permit and I received a denial letter stating I made a mis-statement on my application under criminal history - they recommended I get the PD to print out my history and I am banned from re-applying for 1 year!!! I never intentionally left anything off my history - I knew they would check so why would I??
    To be blocked from a CCW for a year is maddening - I did every thing they asked and paid the money. I've had 3 DUI's in the past 20 years. Nothing more.
    I'm just upset - thanks for letting me vent..
    Do you have a valid DL after 3 DUI's? if yes, if the state continues to allow you to operate a 4000lb vehicle after 3 DUI"S but denies a CCW permit, something seems wrong with that scenario since more people are killed each year by drunk drivers then by law abiding citizens exercising there 2A right.

    my .02

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    Last edited by countryclubjoe; 08-16-2013 at 05:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryclubjoe View Post
    Do you have a valid DL after 3 DUI's? if yes, if the state continues to allow you to operate a 4000lb vehicle after 3 DUI"S but denies a CCW permit, something seems wrong with that scenario since more people are killed each year by drunk drivers then by law abiding citizens exercising there 2A right.

    my .02

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    Well, I see no correlation with DUI (MV operation) to carry permits .. I don't know if the state does either ... if not, the omission of this on a permit application would not be a relevant omission then? For an omission to have any affect, it should be a relevant one..

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Well, I see no correlation with DUI (MV operation) to carry permits .. I don't know if the state does either ... if not, the omission of this on a permit application would not be a relevant omission then? For an omission to have any affect, it should be a relevant one..
    Hi davidmcbeth- Three DUI's should disqualify a person from every operating a motor vehicle again, and three DUI's should prevent a person from obtaining a CCW permit.

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    lots of different ways to look at it...not many of them good.

    multiple DWIs indicates that someone doesn't exactly learn tough lessons. it's problematic when being punished two times for the same behavior still doesn't get the point across. nobody is judging the OP for being a lush, he's being judged for willfully disobeying laws REPEATEDLY. first time, shame on him. second time, shame on US (the public). what do we call the third time???

    another unfavorable way to put it is that the person is apparently willing to operate a deadly machine while intoxicated...not really sure he should be given ANOTHER way to hurt people (or himself).

    don't take your guns to town, boy, leave your guns at home.
    Last edited by CT Barfly; 08-23-2013 at 07:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    Not to put to sharp a point on it but can we clarify?

    3 DUI's 20 years ago or 3 DUI's in the last 20 years with the most recent last week?

    Yep, THAT does make a difference to me!
    To ND as well.
    A concealed carry license/permit will be denied if:
    A class 1 applicant may be denied if the applicant has been convicted of an offense involving the use of alcohol within 10 years prior to the date of the application form

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    If someone can't make a good enough judgement to not drink and drive, they probably aren't going to make good enough judgement to not drink and carry. I don't like the idea of him getting a permit even after a years wait. One incident in the news about a "drunk CWP holder busted for 4th DUI" or "repeat DUI offender & CWP holder shoots out lights in drunken stupor!" and they'll brand us ALL as drunken fools, then start making it tougher and allowing less places to carry.

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