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    Smokey Point NEX

    I searched the forum, I called the store (they said "yes" also said it's federal prperty), I called the base (Also said "yes" but said it's not federal property). I'm trying to determine if this place (NEX Smokey Point) is legally considered federal property. I've look for hours online and I'm at a loss at this point. The only thing I could find it that its owned by... "© 2013 Navy Exchange Service Command All rights reserved. Navy Exchange Service Command, 3280 Virginia Beach Blvd, VA 23452-5724. This is an Official U.S. Navy Web Site. NEXCOM claims ownership in its trademarks regardless of the format in which they appear on this website and related pages or links." I carried there today, stopped in the credit union as well (video will be posted soon). In short I ran into trouble once I walked into the NEX because one of the employs said I couldn't carry there. I asked him to show me the sign (He said there was one) and it said Click image for larger version. 

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    Anyways, I asked him if it was a federal building (he didn't know anything at all...BUT) he said it was and I put my firearm in my car so I could go in and find my wife. If you know anything please let me know I'll post the link to the video once I post it on youtube, Thanks.

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    Is the NEX on base? If it is then you can't carry anywhere.
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    Interesting, it is associated with Everett base but located here:
    http://www.military.com/base-guide/n...key-point/1465

    Post Office type situation maybe?

    BTW on JBLM, you have to be 21 to by any kind of ammo in the PX.
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    Well the NEX is under the charge of a Naval Service Command,

    on the other hand they're a non-appropriated fund activity and thus required to make profit....

    the law is generally no guns in facilities where federal employees work, are exchange staff employees of the Federal Government?
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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    Quote Originally Posted by decklin View Post
    Is the NEX on base? If it is then you can't carry anywhere.
    No, the one at Smokey Point. I know I can't carry on base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge View Post
    I asked him to show me the sign (He said there was one) and it said Click image for larger version. 

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    That is the standard federal no firearms sign. When I see that sign, I typically figure the building is federally owned.

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    are exchange staff employees of the Federal Government?
    +1, should determine if the building has federals employees that are typically present during operating hours.
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    Well here's what I found...

    https://www.mynavyexchange.com/comma...section_a.html

    so this is a guide for contractors, note the definitions sections

    e. "Government" shall include the Navy Exchange.
    The Navy Exchange Service Command (NEXCOM) and the Navy Exchange are integral parts of the Department of the Navy and nonappropriated fund instrumentalities of the United States Government. Contracts to which these General Provisions apply are government contracts; however, they do not obligate any funds of the United States Treasury. Accordingly, procurement statutes and regulations having the force and effect of law, such as the Armed Services Procurement Act, 10 U.S.C. 2301, et seq., and the Federal Acquisition Regulations, 48 CFR 1, et seq., generally do not apply to Navy Exchange contracts. Navy Exchange contracting officers are guided by internal policies and procedures, such as SECNAVINST 7043.5A.
    plus the Naval Exchange Service command is a department under another Naval Command (name escapes me at the moment) the parent command is headed by an Admiral... so it is federal government property, we can assume that...

    now let's move on the "federal employees"

    from their employment page
    https://www.mynavyexchange.com/comma...nt/h-FAQs.html

    Is a Navy Exchange job a “civil service” job?

    No, the Navy Exchange is not considered a “civil service” job, or an appropriated funds position. Navy Exchange employees are non-appropriated, and therefore are paid by the NAF pay schedule.
    now weather this makes them "federal employees" or not makes a difference....

    The next issue is LE jurisdiction, while Local police would probably just ask you to leave, if the 911 calls from the NEX connect to the Law Enforcement Desk at the Naval Station and Masters-at-arms respond to the call, you could be in trouble, if military your commanding officer will certainly be informed, if civilian they can arrest you at which point the FBI will called to take you in... at least according to my understanding...

    then if the US Attorney wants to charge you, even if you're legally in the right with exchange employees not being "federal employees" you can expect a huge legal bill and battle. long story short, you live off base, near downtown everett..... there's retail shopping abound, the 20% savings are not likely to equal out the possible legal bill....
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    Can one check with the local assessor's office?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Can one check with the local assessor's office?
    That will only tell you who owns the dirt the exchange is sitting on top of.

    It matters not at all for whether or not guns are banned
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    Last time I was there, which was about 1.5 years ago there was a sign board as you drove down the road to the parking lot that stated the area was federal property and no firearms were allowed. This is the same/similar sign posted on bases as well.

    The area is patrolled by military police from Naval Station Everett.

    Good luck trying to get the Navy to change their approach to firearms and whether or not the NEX and the area around it is Federal property. And I don't mean that negatively as it would open up the Navy Lodge for me to stay at when I come visit friends in the area...the Navy Lodge is on the same property.

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    Yeterdays Video

    Here is the video of the interaction. I plan on doing a follow-up video just to make sure anyone that sees this will know that it's federal property. Thanks for the help everyone.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNoyn...ature=youtu.be

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zohan View Post
    Last time I was there, which was about 1.5 years ago there was a sign board as you drove down the road to the parking lot that stated the area was federal property and no firearms were allowed. This is the same/similar sign posted on bases as well.
    I'm gonna drive up there and see if I can find the sign for the follow-up video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge View Post
    Here is the video of the interaction. I plan on doing a follow-up video just to make sure anyone that sees this will know that it's federal property. Thanks for the help everyone.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNoyn...ature=youtu.be
    Are the scissors broken in your house?
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    Red face

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Are the scissors broken in your house?
    Their in the shop.

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