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    NH Supreme Court: "Only loaded guns are loaded. Duh!"

    This statute was clear to everyone who didn't choose to deliberately misinterpret it. But as Upton Sinclair said, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

    The police and AG in this case didn't want clarity, because it reduces the number of people they can charge.

    http://www.unionleader.com/article/2...WS03/130809449

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    CONCORD – A loaded gun means exactly that, a gun that's loaded with ammunition, according to a state Supreme Court ruling made public Wednesday.

    The decision means a misdemeanor charge of illegally possessing a loaded handgun without a license will be dropped against Oriol Dor of Manchester.

    Dor was arrested on May 8, 2012, after police searched his vehicle and found a .40 caliber semi-automatic pistol with a loaded magazine next to it in the glove box. The pistol did not have a cartridge in the chamber, and the magazine well was empty.

    Still, police charged Dor with a class A misdemeanor for "knowingly carry(ing) a loaded pistol as defined in RSA 159:4 in a vehicle without a valid license."

    ( . . . . )

    The question before the court was: Does the definition of a "loaded pistol or revolver" (under RSA 159:4 (2002) encompass … a firearm with no cartridge in the firearm, and no magazine in the magazine well(,) but with a loaded magazine located next to it and easily accessible?

    The court ruled it did not.

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    As I said in a previous post, I just can't believe that LEOs are this dumb. It really takes work to do something like this on a consistent basis.

    In a time when LEOs are misapplying the law, shooting innocent people, planting evidence, concocting stories, covering up, how do you not bash them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick9 View Post
    In a time when LEOs are misapplying the law, shooting innocent people, planting evidence, concocting stories, covering up, how do you not bash them?
    It's a fine line to walk. I've found that if I stick to the truth, I'm generally OK. For instance, it's not "cop bashing" to argue that modern policing is in dire need of reform, in just about every way.

    It's not "cop bashing" to opine that, rather than just a "few bad apples", the barrel itself has gone bad.
    Last edited by marshaul; 08-07-2013 at 06:28 PM.

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    Try this approach:

    "Not all cops are bad.....but!"

    Look, eventually every cop will make a mistake, it is human nature, no big deal. Once all of them have made a mistake then there can be no cop bashing cuz all cops would have made a mistake and continue to be employed. Until then use the above disclaimer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    This statute was clear to everyone who didn't choose to deliberately misinterpret it. But as Upton Sinclair said, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

    The police and AG in this case didn't want clarity, because it reduces the number of people they can charge.

    http://www.unionleader.com/article/2...WS03/130809449

    FUQ:
    CONCORD – A loaded gun means exactly that, a gun that's loaded with ammunition, according to a state Supreme Court ruling made public Wednesday.

    The decision means a misdemeanor charge of illegally possessing a loaded handgun without a license will be dropped against Oriol Dor of Manchester.

    Dor was arrested on May 8, 2012, after police searched his vehicle and found a .40 caliber semi-automatic pistol with a loaded magazine next to it in the glove box. The pistol did not have a cartridge in the chamber, and the magazine well was empty.

    Still, police charged Dor with a class A misdemeanor for "knowingly carry(ing) a loaded pistol as defined in RSA 159:4 in a vehicle without a valid license."

    ( . . . . )

    The question before the court was: Does the definition of a "loaded pistol or revolver" (under RSA 159:4 (2002) encompass … a firearm with no cartridge in the firearm, and no magazine in the magazine well(,) but with a loaded magazine located next to it and easily accessible?

    The court ruled it did not.

    I used to carry this way in New Hampshire over a decade ago. I told the state police it was legal and they "recommended against it". I knew they were wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    This statute was clear to everyone who didn't choose to deliberately misinterpret it. But as Upton Sinclair said, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

    The police and AG in this case didn't want clarity, because it reduces the number of people they can charge.

    http://www.unionleader.com/article/2...WS03/130809449

    FUQ:
    CONCORD – A loaded gun means exactly that, a gun that's loaded with ammunition, according to a state Supreme Court ruling made public Wednesday.

    The decision means a misdemeanor charge of illegally possessing a loaded handgun without a license will be dropped against Oriol Dor of Manchester.

    Dor was arrested on May 8, 2012, after police searched his vehicle and found a .40 caliber semi-automatic pistol with a loaded magazine next to it in the glove box. The pistol did not have a cartridge in the chamber, and the magazine well was empty.

    Still, police charged Dor with a class A misdemeanor for "knowingly carry(ing) a loaded pistol as defined in RSA 159:4 in a vehicle without a valid license."

    ( . . . . )

    The question before the court was: Does the definition of a "loaded pistol or revolver" (under RSA 159:4 (2002) encompass … a firearm with no cartridge in the firearm, and no magazine in the magazine well(,) but with a loaded magazine located next to it and easily accessible?

    The court ruled it did not.
    This is outstanding news for the unlicensed open/concealed carry in the State. It is a shame that it took this long to put this to bed.
    Let a man never stir on his road a step without his weapons of war; for unsure is the knowing when need shall arise of a spear on the way without. -Hávamál 38

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