davidmcbeth
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Yup, and all that post war stuff got into the guberment is your master via economic slavery
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The Hiroshima Myth
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Yup, and all that post war stuff got into the guberment is your master via economic slavery
carolina guy
Regular Member
The GI Bill (passed in 1944) with the $0 down payment and low interest loans was likely more responsible for your Grandfather getting a home loan than any "economic recovery".
77zach
Regular Member
But Lord Obama says he can make wealth, ex nihilo!
WW2 was the death knell for freedom in the U.S, the the republic ending in 1868.
77zach
Regular Member
FDR embraced all of the communist planks. He loved Adolf, but "Uncle Joe" had a special place in his heart.
marshaul
Campaign Veteran
I was gonna say that. :lol:
But then I decided I'd rebut the argument on its face.
Deanimator
Regular Member
Roosevelt was supplying the British when Germany and the Soviet Union were still allies.
SouthernBoy
Regular Member
That would be September 2, 1945.
Actually we are both wrong, August 15, 1945. I posted the date Germany surrendered.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II
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SouthernBoy
Regular Member
No, the end of WWII was as I stated; September 2, 1945. That was when the formal surrender document was signed by the remaining warring parties. August 15 was when Japan agreed to the American terms and hostilities ceased. But the actual end of the war was September 2.
Citizen
Founder's Club Member
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One cannot possibly have an economic recovery by manufacturing vast amounts of war materiel.
In fact, the tale is told by the ration booklets, the shortages of rubber, butter, beef, gasoline, and the complete suspension of manufacturing of civilian automobiles.
I recall some of my grandparents old magazines. Hamilton watch company ran ads saying they would resume making watches after the war--their factory(ies) were converted to making time fuzes for artillery shells.
Almost forgotten is that the US mint briefly made nickels out of silver because nickel was needed for armor plate and other war production. The silver nickels included an "s" on the back above the Monticello dome. The treasury weeded them out and melted them down after the war, but a few still exist in collectors hands, commanding a very high price at auction.
The statement that WWII ended the depression is an outright lie.
If anything, WWII continued the decline by setting up Bretton Woods--the agreement among the major powers that the dollar would become the reserve currency of the world. It was unworkable from day one--one group of economists said so. That agreement declined until 197(1?)* when Nixon took the US off the gold standard, at which point Bretton Woods was pretty much dead.
The US and world economy has been on a steady decline since then. This is not to say the decline started then--it actually started in 11913 with the fedgov charter for the privately owned Federal Reserve system.
*Nixon's televised statement that he was cancelling the ability of foreign banks to redeem dollars in gold is on YouTube. He says that interests inimical to the US were cashing in dollars for gold too fast, threatening financial stability in the US. Sounds great. Until you ask one question: who printed so many dollars that there wasn't enough gold to back them? The dollar was supposed to be backed by gold. Who printed more dollars than there was gold to back them?
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If Japan did not agree until the 15th, then why would they sign anything? I posted a link, where is one backing what you are saying?
EMNofSeattle
Regular Member
you can have pne when you're the only power with an untouched industrial base and an entire planet of rubble that wants financing and new goods to replace those destroyed....
the broken window fallacy is not a fallacy to the guy getting the check to replace the window...
carolina guy
Regular Member
Even by the simple measure of GDP, the US economy actually contracted after 1945...not the signs of a recovery by any means.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com...011mcn__US_Gross_Domestic_Product_GDP_History
EMNofSeattle
Regular Member
Extremely briefly, and it started growing again by 1947 this is affirmed even by the chart you posted.
marshaul
Campaign Veteran
Right. I mean everybody knows that war-shattered countries make the best consumers. :lol:
eye95
Well-known member
Weren't some of the treaties ending WWII signed in the 90s? IIRC, Germany was technically still "occupied" until then.
OC for ME
Regular Member
Bureaucratic hostilities if you will. There are wars and then there are "wars."
SouthernBoy
Regular Member
All over the place. Books, links, films, news paper reports, etc. The surrender was signed on the deck of the USS Missouri in Tokyo Bay.
This is not meant to insult you my friend for I would never do that intentionally without good reason, but I must ask. Didn't your primary and secondary schools teach this? I went through the Falls Church city school system in the 50's and into the 60's when a public education in Virginia was something to behold as valuable and I can well recall viewing movies (I showed many) in my high school, plus lectures in World History, covering WWII. In 1962, WWII was only 17 years in the past so we learned it well.
That and the many books and films I have viewed over the years on the topic. While Japan agreed to cease hostilities in mid August, she didn't sign the implement of surrender until September.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5MMVd5XOK8
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SouthernBoy
Regular Member
Not that I'm aware of as it relates to WWII. Would be interesting if you could dig some of this up.
OCbaldguy
Regular Member
One cannot simply stay out of a war while helping other countries fight a war. We were in WW2 long before Pearl Harbor was attacked.
I agree that there is a perpetual lie surrounding the dropping of both bombs and that both were unnecessary. I've come upon references to this fact a few times. It makes no sense that Japan agreed to surrender on one condition (Emperor stays in place), were denied, the bombs were dropped, then that same surrender was accepted. The war mongers wanted to play with a new toy and have little regard for common life.
I agree that there is a perpetual lie surrounding the dropping of both bombs and that both were unnecessary. I've come upon references to this fact a few times. It makes no sense that Japan agreed to surrender on one condition (Emperor stays in place), were denied, the bombs were dropped, then that same surrender was accepted. The war mongers wanted to play with a new toy and have little regard for common life.