• We are now running on a new, and hopefully much-improved, server. In addition we are also on new forum software. Any move entails a lot of technical details and I suspect we will encounter a few issues as the new server goes live. Please be patient with us. It will be worth it! :) Please help by posting all issues here.
  • The forum will be down for about an hour this weekend for maintenance. I apologize for the inconvenience.
  • If you are having trouble seeing the forum then you may need to clear your browser's DNS cache. Click here for instructions on how to do that
  • Please review the Forum Rules frequently as we are constantly trying to improve the forum for our members and visitors.

OC on Private property through access easement?

Wastinbait

New member
Joined
Apr 27, 2013
Messages
9
Location
Lancaster Pennsylvania
I own a landlocked piece of property in Lancaster city. The adjoining road front property owns the land my access easement is on. There is not an established driveway which forces me to walk into the lot through the easement. I regularly OC whenever legally possible. I have learned a lot by browsing this site and others like it.
Does anyone know if I have a legal right to carry a firearm through the deeded access easement onto my property if the owner of the land the easement is on should be opposed to it?
 

carolina guy

Regular Member
Joined
Jun 21, 2012
Messages
1,737
Location
Concord, NC
I own a landlocked piece of property in Lancaster city. The adjoining road front property owns the land my access easement is on. There is not an established driveway which forces me to walk into the lot through the easement. I regularly OC whenever legally possible. I have learned a lot by browsing this site and others like it.
Does anyone know if I have a legal right to carry a firearm through the deeded access easement onto my property if the owner of the land the easement is on should be opposed to it?

In a general sense (not sure about PA law), you have a "property right" to use the easement, and I think that would likely have to include OC regardless of the other owner's "preference". Just my $0.02.
 

Motofixxer

Regular Member
Joined
May 14, 2010
Messages
965
Location
Somewhere over the Rainbow
I can't give a definitive answer either. But I would say there wouldn't be any issues that would hold up in court. There is a contract to access the property, what you carry on you accessing that property can't override a contract unless there were some kind of destructive circumstances or something. What if you wanted to hunt that land, you can't carry firearms across??? That doesn't seem logical or reasonable that you can have your actions restricted while traveling in which you have the right to do.
 

Grapeshot

Legendary Warrior
Joined
May 21, 2006
Messages
35,317
Location
Valhalla
I own a landlocked piece of property in Lancaster city. The adjoining road front property owns the land my access easement is on. There is not an established driveway which forces me to walk into the lot through the easement. I regularly OC whenever legally possible. I have learned a lot by browsing this site and others like it.
Does anyone know if I have a legal right to carry a firearm through the deeded access easement onto my property if the owner of the land the easement is on should be opposed to it?
If there are no limitations, restrictions or exceptions (covenants) in writing in the document giving the easement that would apply specifically to this, then quiet simply "Yes, you have the right to cross the property as you see fit."

I wouldn't raise chickens or hunt on it, but you can eat some original recipe KFC while walking across the property with your shotgun and OCd handgun :)
 

CT Barfly

Regular Member
Joined
Jun 13, 2013
Messages
328
Location
Ffld co.
The easement grants you use of the driveway/access (which by necessity is an interest owned by you and tied to that land), but it is not ownership of the driveway/access in question (you can't sell it separately from your landlocked property).

Use of the driveway/access, meaning ingress/egress to your property is unrestricted until you start to diminish the property (taking down trees/fences/heavy truck traffic/etc.) You don't have unlimited rights to ALTER the property, and because it is landlocked the owner (called the servient landowner or the owner of the servient estate) couldn't restrict your use of the easement for ingress/egress to your place...carrying your possessions. Ingress/egress with a gun is not something the servient owner can put conditions on...or it might result in your landlocked property being only helicopter/catapult accessible.

Take a trip down to the County Clerk's office to get the skinny...it's probably in the deed/transfer somewhere and it's probably ancient.

Be careful though, there might be an exception for original recipie KFC...you might have a spicy cajun chicken from Popeyes restriction. I've seen those.

IANYL...heck not even from PA.
 
Last edited:

Wastinbait

New member
Joined
Apr 27, 2013
Messages
9
Location
Lancaster Pennsylvania
Thanks all for your input. I actually purchased the lot to archery hunt on. The owner of the property the easement is located on is being difficult about other things. I figure it is only a matter of time until he makes this an issue.
 
Top