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    Senior Citizen Self-defense Incident

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    A witness is leaving a phone message for someone, when suddenly a violent confrontation unfolds before him after a traffic accident. Listen as he describes what is occurring.

    Did the first defender over-react? Did the those who rushed to the first defender's aid use unreasonable force?

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=23a_1376208005


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    Last edited by Citizen; 08-11-2013 at 10:32 PM.
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    I especially liked how the one defender tried to bring religion to the ungodly.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

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    well...I am not convinced this is a real recording. Its too clear to begin with ... not outside noises ... etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    well...I am not convinced this is a real recording. Its too clear to begin with ... not outside noises ... etc.
    I had that thought, too.

    But, then I realized he was leaving a message for someone to let them know he was on his way to somewhere. And, it was raining to some degree or just had been, so it makes sense his windows would be raised.

    And, if that laughter is acting, he deserves an oscar.

    All in all, I decided its more likely genuine than not. And, even if it isn't, the scriptwriter deserves an award for hilarious entertainment.

    So, I just listened as though it was real, and enjoyed it on the same premise.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Possibly the only person who did not over-react was the first defender - the driver who rolled down the windowand pepper-sprayed the other driver.

    From there it went way south way fast - three little old ladies battering the heck out of some guy who apparently, in spite of age/physical condition differences was still on the bad end of a disparity of force situation. Repeatedly hit on the head with a hard plastic armored NIV Bible, and a handbag described as at least as big as the bidy wielding it, and being poked in the side by a relatvely sharp stick? Sounds like a case of fear of imminent death or serious bodily injury could be made. (It's one of the few times I'd take a bench trial over a jury trial.)

    Wass the whole thing staged? Most likely. Lots of morning drive-time teams are known for stuff like that.

    Too bad this will not go on to become a great teaching moment regarding the laws of self defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Possibly the only person who did not over-react was the first defender - the driver who rolled down the windowand pepper-sprayed the other driver.

    From there it went way south way fast - three little old ladies battering the heck out of some guy who apparently, in spite of age/physical condition differences was still on the bad end of a disparity of force situation. Repeatedly hit on the head with a hard plastic armored NIV Bible, and a handbag described as at least as big as the bidy wielding it, and being poked in the side by a relatvely sharp stick? Sounds like a case of fear of imminent death or serious bodily injury could be made. (It's one of the few times I'd take a bench trial over a jury trial.)

    Wass the whole thing staged? Most likely. Lots of morning drive-time teams are known for stuff like that.

    Too bad this will not go on to become a great teaching moment regarding the laws of self defense.

    stay safe.
    "But, your honor, she was forcing her religious views on me!"

    "How, son?"

    "She was pounding me on the head with an nine-pound NIV bible!"

    "Disparity of morality is not disparity of force, son. You should take the lesson to heart as well as your head. Pay attention to traffic lights; and, don't run your car into little old ladies."
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    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Only question I have is, "How did he know what version of the Bible she was using?" That told me the story is most likely false unless he has some phenomenal eyesight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired View Post
    Only question I have is, "How did he know what version of the Bible she was using?" That told me the story is most likely false unless he has some phenomenal eyesight.
    If he was faking the story, he wouldn't have mentioned the version at all. If you re-view the video, his mis-names it, too. He refers to it as an NVI bible, instead of NIV.

    I think he was just assuming it was a bible because it was big. I didn't figure he could actually read the version, unless it was brand-new, still shrink-wrapped, and had a big sticker on it or something; but since he mis-named it, I figured he wasn't looking at a sticker.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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