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    Firearm in a state university dorm????

    Can an 18 year old (female. And i know it doesnt matter) student at a public university (morehead) posses a (legal) shotgun in her on campus dorm room?

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    Firearm in a state university dorm????

    The answer is no. Thanks Gutshot

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    I would go into the president's office and ask what type of device you can have for personal defense against someone wielding a gun..

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    Quote Originally Posted by o3rugby1 View Post
    Can an 18 year old (female. And i know it doesnt matter) student at a public university (morehead) posses a (legal) shotgun in her on campus dorm room?
    Short answer: No
    Longer answer: When you are a student, university policy trumps your God-given right to effective and reasonable self-defense on university property.

    The best advice I can give is to look at the policy handbook. If something (baseball bat, pepper spray, stun gun) is not prohibited, you may be able to mount a good defense should someone get uppity about you possessing it. In my case, a school organization hands out pepper spray, so I have been known to go in for one, then end up giving it to another student that would do well by having it, and repeat. My way of slightly disempowering any would-be criminals.

    --greetings from Arizona, from a 20 year old (male, though my gender is irrelevant) student at a state university (U of A) who does not live in the campus dorms for the OP reasons.

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    As far as I know there are no laws against possession in a college dorm room, however Kentucky schools are given the freedom to set their own policy on such things and I don't know of any school in Kentucky which allows the possession of guns on campus.

    Many schools have policies prohibiting possession even in private vehicles parked on campus, however under Mitchell v. UK, these policies can't be enforced.

    As I said I don't believe that it is illegal to have a shotgun in your dorm room, however the likely consequence of being caught with one is that you would be suspended or expelled.

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    It is not illegal.

    It is (probably) against the rules.

    I would suggest a handgun in a lock box, or something else that could be used as a weapon such as a baseball bat or golf club.
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    I certainly don't agree with these policies, but if you really intend to take security seriously, you need to move out of the dorm first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    I certainly don't agree with these policies, but if you really intend to take security seriously, you need to move out of the dorm first.
    It is easy to say, much harder to do.
    No man alive can beat me in a fair fight: It's not fair to chase a man down and beat him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    I certainly don't agree with these policies, but if you really intend to take security seriously, you need to move out of the dorm first.
    but he would still have to go to the campus, right?

    so the issue remains ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    but he would still have to go to the campus, right?

    so the issue remains ....
    Yes and no. Does the issue of being armed in class remain? Yes.

    Is that the same issue as keeping a shotgun at home? No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    It is easy to say, much harder to do.
    How do you figure? Unless your school requires you to live in the dorm, it's far easier to live in an apartment. Dorms are probably the worst idea, ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    Unless your school requires you to live in the dorm, it's far easier to live in an apartment. Dorms are probably the worst idea, ever.
    I'll second that. Right from the start, I decided not to live in the dorms. Cramped quarters, lack of privacy, community showers and bathrooms, reduced freedoms, enforced curfew, and exorbitant costs. Not for me. Off-campus apartments are very accomodating to university students, and the rent is almost always cheaper for the same room size, with added amenities. The money you save could be put to better use. Make a "rainy day fund" and a "fun fund"
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    How do I figure?

    Some schools require freshmen to live on campus.

    It is easy to get a school scholarship, I know of none that will pay rent and utilities.

    It is easy to get money to pay for dorms, it is not so easy to pay rent.

    Do you need a car to go to class from a dorm? Usually not. Are most apartments within biking distance of a school unoccupied? NOPE.

    Do you need to have acceptable credit to live in a dorm? No. Apartment? Yes.

    You pay a lot to live in a dorm, but it is still usually less than the cost of living off campus.
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    Firearm in a state university dorm????

    This case involves a freshman at morehead that is Required to live in a Dorm. (No dorm = No school)

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    Quote Originally Posted by o3rugby1 View Post
    This case involves a freshman at morehead that is Required to live in a Dorm. (No dorm = No school)
    Most schools require at least 1st yr in a dorm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by o3rugby1 View Post
    This case involves a freshman at morehead that is Required to live in a Dorm. (No dorm = No school)
    Sorry to hear that (because it is forcing you to be unarmed 100% of class days). I'll stick to what I said in my earlier post: read the policy book, see if you can find a school club giving away pepper spray (if not, you could still carry provided it's not prohibited, and some would argue that even then...)
    Another thing I forgot to say at that point: learn some basic self-defense techniques (assuming you don't already know some) and practice them. I'm not talking about the fancy fighting you see in movies, just something effective like Krav Maga (its popularity is making it ubiquitous on campuses) or Systema.
    This is the same advice I've given to other girls AND ~180 lbs males, so it's not gender that prompts me to say it.
    Good luck. Keep us posted.

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    I still say to carry a firearm, it is not against the law.
    No man alive can beat me in a fair fight: It's not fair to chase a man down and beat him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Young Man View Post
    Another thing I forgot to say at that point: learn some basic self-defense techniques (assuming you don't already know some) and practice them.
    Like shooting ... wait, dag-nab-it ! Wear some body armor ...

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    Re:Basic Self-Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Like shooting ... wait, dag-nab-it ! Wear some body armor ...
    I agree that firearm proficiency and carrying of said firearm would be best (LOUDER than a rape whistle, MORE STOPPING POWER than a stun gun, LONGER RANGE than pepper spray), but the OP seems unable to carry on campus without breaking university policy (grounds for expulsion, at the very least), and carrying in a backpack or purse may qualify as "Concealed", which I would venture to say is also prohibited for the OP (and even myself, for a few more months; I'm glad I live in Arizona).
    I could advise the OP to carry a firearm, but if she is caught with the firearm, it won't be members of this forum that decide what course of action to take. So I am only providing alternatives to the BEST solution: a firearm operated by a proficient user.
    So I guess I should clarify: learn some unarmed self-defense techniques. I know people say "Never bring a knife to a gunfight", but I don't see the drawbacks of bringing both a knife AND a gun to a gunfight; the former is a back-up of sorts (it's also meant to illustrate here; I know the advantages of a BUG, but I would argue that a knife still has a role in self-defense/everyday use, so maybe bring a gun, a BUG, AND a knife to a gunfight). You never know when a well-learned disarm technique or such could buy you the time you need to draw your weapon (assuming you haven't drawn already)
    Here's an example of what I was referring to:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1y7VZ9BQxY
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    Courts have ruled that you can't band firearms in government housing.
    Most people go to state (government) colleges.
    Could we use this ruling for dorms?

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Young Man View Post
    I agree that firearm proficiency and carrying of said firearm would be best (LOUDER than a rape whistle, MORE STOPPING POWER than a stun gun, LONGER RANGE than pepper spray), but the OP seems unable to carry on campus without breaking university policy (grounds for expulsion, at the very least), and carrying in a backpack or purse may qualify as "Concealed", which I would venture to say is also prohibited for the OP (and even myself, for a few more months; I'm glad I live in Arizona).
    I could advise the OP to carry a firearm, but if she is caught with the firearm, it won't be members of this forum that decide what course of action to take. So I am only providing alternatives to the BEST solution: a firearm operated by a proficient user.
    So I guess I should clarify: learn some unarmed self-defense techniques. I know people say "Never bring a knife to a gunfight", but I don't see the drawbacks of bringing both a knife AND a gun to a gunfight; the former is a back-up of sorts (it's also meant to illustrate here; I know the advantages of a BUG, but I would argue that a knife still has a role in self-defense/everyday use, so maybe bring a gun, a BUG, AND a knife to a gunfight). You never know when a well-learned disarm technique or such could buy you the time you need to draw your weapon (assuming you haven't drawn already)
    Here's an example of what I was referring to:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1y7VZ9BQxY
    Technique step 1: what? you don't have a gun? Go get one! Well, why you still reading?

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    It is NOT illegal to keep a firearm in the dorm or on your person while in class. It IS against Morehead policy to keep a firearm in a dorm or on your person while on the campus.

    If she wants to keep a firearm on her in the dorm, she needs to obtain a lock-box and keep it well-hidden. This of course makes it impossible to access in a case of self-defense, so it pretty much is pointless.

    I would suggest FOX pepper-spray or some other non-lethal device. The Taser C2 would be an excellent choice for protection, but it may also be a prohibited item on campus. This device looks nothing like a firearm, however, and as long as she keeps it on her person and concealed she should be okay. And yes, it is legal for her to carry a Taser on her person.
    "I never in my life seen a Kentuckian without a gun..."-Andrew Jackson

    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined."-Patrick Henry; speaking of protecting the rights of an armed citizenry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KYGlockster View Post
    It is NOT illegal to keep a firearm in the dorm or on your person while in class. It IS against Morehead policy to keep a firearm in a dorm or on your person while on the campus.

    If she wants to keep a firearm on her in the dorm, she needs to obtain a lock-box and keep it well-hidden. This of course makes it impossible to access in a case of self-defense, so it pretty much is pointless.

    I would suggest FOX pepper-spray or some other non-lethal device. The Taser C2 would be an excellent choice for protection, but it may also be a prohibited item on campus. This device looks nothing like a firearm, however, and as long as she keeps it on her person and concealed she should be okay. And yes, it is legal for her to carry a Taser on her person.
    As I said before, a student or prospective student should inquire as to what devices are allowed that would allow the student to defend himself against an armed belligerent.

    Wait for a response ... it should be humorous if any response is provided at all ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    As I said before, a student or prospective student should inquire as to what devices are allowed that would allow the student to defend himself against an armed belligerent.

    Wait for a response ... it should be humorous if any response is provided at all ...
    Really? I figured they should just carry whatever they want whenever they want without regard for school policy.

    Anyways, those that read my post, please NOTICE I stated that my recommendations might be against SCHOOL POLCY. As for checking on what is and is not against school policy, I can pretty much guarantee that anything that can be used defensively will be against school policy. Please notice I said school policy and NOT state law.
    "I never in my life seen a Kentuckian without a gun..."-Andrew Jackson

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    Quote Originally Posted by KYGlockster View Post
    Really? I figured they should just carry whatever they want whenever they want without regard for school policy.

    Anyways, those that read my post, please NOTICE I stated that my recommendations might be against SCHOOL POLCY. As for checking on what is and is not against school policy, I can pretty much guarantee that anything that can be used defensively will be against school policy. Please notice I said school policy and NOT state law.
    You have worked in a work place, yes? Then you know what happens when you violate a policy that has no criminal or civil penalties attached to such behavior ... you're FIRED, right?

    Same with schools .... except that they don't fire them, they expel them. 7 yrs of college, down the drain.

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