Naming your child is a privilege that can be regulated.......

sudden valley gunner · Aug 12, 2013

Judge orders mother to change baby's name.

http://www.wbir.com/news/article/284065/2/POLL-Tennessee-Judge-orders-name-change-for-Baby-Messiah

Is naming your child a privilege that can be "regulated"?

Judge's argument about the word "messiah" is specious too.

77zach · Aug 12, 2013

Actually in Kalifornia (sic) it is. CA courts have said (ruling against homeschooling) that parents look after children on behalf of the state. Children are in essence leased by parents. Welcome to the Land O' the Free!

sudden valley gunner · Aug 12, 2013

77zach said:
Actually in Kalifornia (sic) it is. CA courts have said (ruling against homeschooling) that parents look after children on behalf of the state. Children are in essence leased by parents. Welcome to the Land O' the Free!

Sad....and this is a good point you brought up.

The states have mandated an 18 yr. lease, (in special cases up to 26) at which point full ownership is resumed by the state. This viewpoint alludes that we are not free, but nothing more than human components in their machine.

david.ross · Aug 12, 2013

The kid can always change their name back if he wishes once he turns 18.

The concerning part is a government entity getting involved in religion in this specific case. Who's he to say who earned a title?

A name is what a person believes in him/herself, personally I'm not called any of the names my birth parents gave me. I will say this, the courts have also declared they can regulate what you want to change your name to for legal purposes. Boomer the Dog is a good example.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories...ame-legally-changed-to-boomer-the-dog-258970/

david.ross · Aug 12, 2013

Also if you name your child Adolf, wear Nazi uniforms and spew hate you can lose custody of all your children.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/2...custody-kids-even-though-judge-says-no-abuse/

DrakeZ07 · Aug 12, 2013

david.ross said:
The kid can always change their name back if he wishes once he turns 18.

The concerning part is a government entity getting involved in religion in this specific case. Who's he to say who earned a title?

A name is what a person believes in him/herself, personally I'm not called any of the names my birth parents gave me. I will say this, the courts have also declared they can regulate what you want to change your name to for legal purposes. Boomer the Dog is a good example.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories...ame-legally-changed-to-boomer-the-dog-258970/

Oh Gods, as soon as I saw the link name, I did a major face-paw, and knew it'd be about Furries.

That case is one of the reasons why we cannot have nice things. D:<

davidmcbeth · Aug 12, 2013

Just have the BC say:

First name: first name, whatever

Second name: any judge who reads this is a doo doo head

Third name: whatever

:monkey:monkey:monkey

Mattimusmaximus · Aug 12, 2013

This is rather funny cause my friend changed his name to "hazard579" don't know why but that's his legal name now

-Matt of Hillsboro OR-

77zach · Aug 12, 2013

NBA star Ron Artest changed his name to Metta World Peace

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metta_World_Peace

Citizen · Aug 13, 2013

Near as I can tell, the word messiah (modern spelling) meant a certain kind of leader. The term The Messiah meant/means a very particular leader.

From what I can see, some uppity, arrogant Christians think they can co-opt a word that wasn't even theirs to begin with, and now deny others using it.

They don't even deserve sensitivity to their religious concerns on this one. Just laff in their faces.

Or, ask them if they really like comparing favorably to Muslims who criminalize disrespect toward their prophet. Can't be too many more years before this brand of Christians starts asking for laws forbidding disrespect toward their Messiah.

For pete's sake, are they gonna start forbidding Hispanics naming their boys Jesus? Even Muslims name their kids Mohammed.

What an ugly blotch on the hope and good of all religions. I think we can safely say this particular judge badly needs more religion himself.

Heh, heh, heh. I wonder how he would reply if asked, "What would Jesus do?"

jeeper1 · Aug 13, 2013

The judge is a woman not a man.
From a news article.

Child Support Magistrate Lu Ann Ballew serves the 4th Judicial District of Tenn. including the following counties: Cocke, Grainger, Jefferson, and Sevier.

Link to the article.
http://www.wbir.com/news/article/283997/2/Judge-orders-babys-name-be-changed-from-Messiah

skidmark · Aug 13, 2013

Citizen said:
Near as I can tell, the word messiah (modern spelling) meant a certain kind of leader. The term The Messiah meant/means a very particular leader.

From what I can see, some uppity, arrogant Christians think they can co-opt a word that wasn't even theirs to begin with, and now deny others using it.

They don't even deserve sensitivity to their religious concerns on this one. Just laff in their faces.

Or, ask them if they really like comparing favorably to Muslims who criminalize disrespect toward their prophet. Can't be too many more years before this brand of Christians starts asking for laws forbidding disrespect toward their Messiah.

For pete's sake, are they gonna start forbidding Hispanics naming their boys Jesus? Even Muslims name their kids Mohammed.

What an ugly blotch on the hope and good of all religions. I think we can safely say this particular judge badly needs more religion himself.

Heh, heh, heh. I wonder how he would reply if asked, "What would Jesus do?"

How many Muslim boys are named Mohammed (sp??)?

Germany has a law against naming a kid Adolph. Can't figure out why.

Norway, or Finland, has some very strict laws on the naming of kids - as names describe familial relationship and they are unwilling to change the culture to accommodate the desire of some Scandahoovian hippy parents.

Several Asian countries have laws prohibiting certain names because of the negative social/cultural issues that would result.

Racist prejudicial alert! There ought to be a law (or several laws) against allowing certain segments of US society from giving their children some of the names they have been saddled with. Going through life as Baby Doe #1 would probably be better than having to live with some of the horrors parents do to their kids.

stay safe.

marshaul · Aug 13, 2013

skidmark said:
How many Muslim boys are named Mohammed (sp??)?

Millions.

OC for ME · Aug 13, 2013

All of those aforementioned countries do not recognize individual rights. In this country the state is prohibited from interfering because it is not an enumerated power for the courts to bless, or condemn, the names given to babies by their parents, even when the baby is named Adolf. Anyone who agrees with the courts decision is anti-liberty and anti-citizen.

skidmark · Aug 13, 2013

OC for ME said:
All of those aforementioned countries do not recognize individual rights. In this country the state is prohibited from interfering because it is not an enumerated power for the courts to bless, or condemn, the names given to babies by their parents, even when the baby is named Adolf. Anyone who agrees with the courts decision is anti-liberty and anti-citizen.

Then let's go back to Muslim boys being named Mohammed. Stipulate that roughly 5% (a lowball figure) of all men are retards, *******, jerks, and general [expletive deleted]-ups. Stipulate that somewhat more than 5% of Muslim boys are named Mohanmed. That should give us minimally 0.25% of Muslim boys who show disrespect to The Prophet by their mere existence. Further stipulate that Sharia law does not recognize individual rights - and especially so when it comes to showing disrespect to The Prophet.

Question - why are we not seeing a reduction, if not a discontinuing, of giving Muslim boys the name Mohammed as a prophylactic against showing disrespect to The Prophet?

stay safe.

(I know - expecting both consistency and logic from the Musim religion is an unfair tactic.)

OC for ME · Aug 13, 2013

skidmark said:
Then let's go back to Muslim boys being named Mohammed. Stipulate that roughly 5% (a lowball figure) of all men are retards, *******, jerks, and general [expletive deleted]-ups. Stipulate that somewhat more than 5% of Muslim boys are named Mohanmed. That should give us minimally 0.25% of Muslim boys who show disrespect to The Prophet by their mere existence. Further stipulate that Sharia law does not recognize individual rights - and especially so when it comes to showing disrespect to The Prophet.

Question - why are we not seeing a reduction, if not a discontinuing, of giving Muslim boys the name Mohammed as a prophylactic against showing disrespect to The Prophet?

stay safe.

(I know - expecting both consistency and logic from the Musim religion is an unfair tactic.)

Your apple, my orange. Mohammad, peace be upon him, is a name. Messiah is a title, the judge said so. If the kid would have been named Jesus, and not pronounced hey-zeus, then nobody would have likely complained, not even that nitwit judge.

The judge's justification is dead wrong. It is anti-liberty, to the inth degree, to even think that the government entering into the "baby name good or bad" business is even worthy of discussion.

Black_water · Aug 13, 2013

Citizen said:
Near as I can tell, the word messiah (modern spelling) meant a certain kind of leader. The term The Messiah meant/means a very particular leader.

From what I can see, some uppity, arrogant Christians think they can co-opt a word that wasn't even theirs to begin with, and now deny others using it.

They don't even deserve sensitivity to their religious concerns on this one. Just laff in their faces.

Or, ask them if they really like comparing favorably to Muslims who criminalize disrespect toward their prophet. Can't be too many more years before this brand of Christians starts asking for laws forbidding disrespect toward their Messiah.

For pete's sake, are they gonna start forbidding Hispanics naming their boys Jesus? Even Muslims name their kids Mohammed.

What an ugly blotch on the hope and good of all religions. I think we can safely say this particular judge badly needs more religion himself.

Heh, heh, heh. I wonder how he would reply if asked, "What would Jesus do?"

You about summed up my feelings, save for the uppity Christian bit. This is a decision by a single person, not a community.

Citizen · Aug 13, 2013

OC for ME said:
Your apple, my orange. Mohammad, peace be upon him, is a name. Messiah is a title, the judge said so. If the kid would have been named Jesus, and not pronounced hey-zeus, then nobody would have likely complained, not even that nitwit judge.

The judge's justification is dead wrong. It is anti-liberty, to the inth degree, to even think that the government entering into the "baby name good or bad" business is even worthy of discussion.

Messiah was word. Christians made it a title. I'm not an expert in this area, but I don't think even the Jews, who were looking for a messiah (Jewish word, modern spelling) called Him the Messiah.

Lots of surnames in English come from a human trade or function--Baker, Cooper, Cartwright, Carpenter, Doorman, Fisher...etc, etc., etc.

Christians can't co-opt a word and then deny other's the use.

Of course, all that is totally beside the fact that government has no authority to deny parents a name.

georg jetson · Aug 13, 2013

Citizen said:
Messiah was word. Christians made it a title. I'm not an expert in this area, but I don't think even the Jews, who were looking for a messiah (Jewish word, modern spelling) called Him the Messiah.

Lots of surnames in English come from a human trade or function--Baker, Cooper, Cartwright, Carpenter, Doorman, Fisher...etc, etc., etc.

Christians can't co-opt a word and then deny other's the use.

Of course, all that is totally beside the fact that government has no authority to deny parents a name.

Nor any authority over family affairs at all. The camel's nose,head and body is in the tent. Aint no getting it out now.

Resto Guy · Aug 13, 2013

And Kartrashian naming her baby North West is just fine with America.

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