The Donkey
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Link to New York Times article, and through that, to decision here:
https://www.facebook.com/GreidingerLegalWorks?ref=br_tf
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Bloom'burg Spanked Again: Federal Judge Appoints Master Due to NY Mayor Overreach
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Link to New York Times article, and through that, to decision here:
https://www.facebook.com/GreidingerLegalWorks?ref=br_tf
KBCraig
Regular Member
It's a terrible ruling.
The correct ruling would have been to throw out the practice all together, and to declare such arbitrary stop-and-frisk searches as unconstitutional. The judge didn't do that, though: her only concern was the racial disparity.
So, she appointed a monitor to oversee the program, and make sure that whites and Asians are searched proportionally with blacks and hispanics.
The correct ruling would have been to throw out the practice all together, and to declare such arbitrary stop-and-frisk searches as unconstitutional. The judge didn't do that, though: her only concern was the racial disparity.
So, she appointed a monitor to oversee the program, and make sure that whites and Asians are searched proportionally with blacks and hispanics.
Freedom1Man
Regular Member
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davidmcbeth
Banned
rushcreek2
Regular Member
OMG - " Profiling !" How do we avoid the appearance of " profiling" ?
Of course ! Coming soon- to NYC Random sidewalk "sobriety" checkpoints.
Of course ! Coming soon- to NYC Random sidewalk "sobriety" checkpoints.
color of law
Accomplished Advocate
You must have read a different case than me.
I thought when your Fourth Amendment right is violated the violation, in itself, is an unconstitutional act.
I believe the court will now enter the penalty phase of the suit if damages are being sought. Once that is completed a final appealable order will be issued.
davidmcbeth
Banned
I was in NYC, stopped by a cop and asked to prove that I was white. When I asked "How?" he said "American-Indian eh?"
Last time I was in NYC 3 cops said they were going to arrest me .. when I demanded that they try, they ran away.
They know when they are full of it & nobody wants a crack in the jaw for that...
marshaul
Campaign Veteran
Right.
"Listen, your actions are violating your citizens' constitutional rights. Therefore, you're going to have to stop-and-frisk more whites."
Meanwhile, one of the most detestable people on the planet had the following to say:
I love how he manages to twist their being the defendant into somehow also being the victim.
Sorry, Bloomy. It was "fair" that your trash government was given a trial at all. It was more than fair that justice wasn't done years ago by charging you and half the police criminally with violation of civil rights under color of law. Fair would be you rotting in a prison cell for the rest of your life.
This man really is one of the vilest pieces of filth alive.
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The Donkey
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Terry v. Ohio was wrongly decided, one reason is that it is so easily subject to abuse, and Bloomberg's New York City is Exhibit A. Realistically, though, one US District Court judge doesn't have the moxy to resolve the problems inherent in Terry.
This Court was correct to point out that Bloomberg's obnoxious Stop and Frisk policies were lies designed to disguise the open secret that he was mis-targeting minorities because -- among other reasons, from his perspective & police excepted -- a black man cannot be trusted to safely carry a gun. Maybe more white people would have been stopped and frisked, and maybe this practice would have been more common in wealthy areas, but people in those areas would have flooded the mayor's office with angry calls if he did this, and the residents of these neighborhoods are Bloomberg's base. Stop and frisk can seem friendly and healthy if it is not directed at you, but crime is.
The 14th Amendment's Due Process clause makes the 4th Amendment's protections against arbitrary search and seizure applicable to state and local authorities like the NYPD, which is one reason why it is important. But the Equal Protection clause is equally important, because, among other reasons, it assures that minorities are not discriminated against in their Second Amendment rights.
OCDO claims that it is a civil rights organization and its membership often asserts that they are part of a civil rights movement. That means that its members should be protective of the civil and constitutional rights of minorities, including their rights under the Equal Protection clause. For the most part, I think it is. But for a very loud few, the open carry movement is just another way to display what regressive twits they are.
This decision is a real defeat for Bloomburg, who made stop and frisk the centerpiece of his anti-crime approach. Bloomburg's brand of antigun statism is the polar opposite of the philosophy this community represents, and if this decision is upheld on appeal, that is just as much cause for celebration as the courts' pro-gun decisions leading up to Heller.
PS. The Facebook page belongs to a lawyer who is interested in civil rights, and has participated in firearms related civil rights litigation. He now practices in Maryland, but anticipates expanding his practice into Virginia. Besides that, he is smart, handsome, humble, and follows interesting legal developments on Facebook. It is always a good idea to have a few firearms friendly lawyers in your state in your network. One more passive way to create a connection that may be useful in a bind is to find lawyers who you think could be helpful, save their links, and "like" their pages.
This Court was correct to point out that Bloomberg's obnoxious Stop and Frisk policies were lies designed to disguise the open secret that he was mis-targeting minorities because -- among other reasons, from his perspective & police excepted -- a black man cannot be trusted to safely carry a gun. Maybe more white people would have been stopped and frisked, and maybe this practice would have been more common in wealthy areas, but people in those areas would have flooded the mayor's office with angry calls if he did this, and the residents of these neighborhoods are Bloomberg's base. Stop and frisk can seem friendly and healthy if it is not directed at you, but crime is.
The 14th Amendment's Due Process clause makes the 4th Amendment's protections against arbitrary search and seizure applicable to state and local authorities like the NYPD, which is one reason why it is important. But the Equal Protection clause is equally important, because, among other reasons, it assures that minorities are not discriminated against in their Second Amendment rights.
OCDO claims that it is a civil rights organization and its membership often asserts that they are part of a civil rights movement. That means that its members should be protective of the civil and constitutional rights of minorities, including their rights under the Equal Protection clause. For the most part, I think it is. But for a very loud few, the open carry movement is just another way to display what regressive twits they are.
This decision is a real defeat for Bloomburg, who made stop and frisk the centerpiece of his anti-crime approach. Bloomburg's brand of antigun statism is the polar opposite of the philosophy this community represents, and if this decision is upheld on appeal, that is just as much cause for celebration as the courts' pro-gun decisions leading up to Heller.
PS. The Facebook page belongs to a lawyer who is interested in civil rights, and has participated in firearms related civil rights litigation. He now practices in Maryland, but anticipates expanding his practice into Virginia. Besides that, he is smart, handsome, humble, and follows interesting legal developments on Facebook. It is always a good idea to have a few firearms friendly lawyers in your state in your network. One more passive way to create a connection that may be useful in a bind is to find lawyers who you think could be helpful, save their links, and "like" their pages.
77zach
Regular Member
http://www.policestateusa.com/archives/45
Bloomberg worried about living in a city where police need a reason to stop someone.
Bloomberg worried about living in a city where police need a reason to stop someone.
Black_water
Regular Member
Bloomberg seems to think that his money buys him Monarch status.
Glad they knocked down the soda ban and I am glad they got this too.
He is exactly what I read about in "Animal Farm" back in the day. Can't wait until he goes away.
Glad they knocked down the soda ban and I am glad they got this too.
He is exactly what I read about in "Animal Farm" back in the day. Can't wait until he goes away.
jhfc
Regular Member
Maybe we'll be graced with his bid for the Presidency. /sarcasm
Maybe I'm reading a totally different story, but from what I've read, the judge declared the NYPD's "Stop & Frisk" policy unconstitutional, not the act itself. The judge also said there's nothing wrong with the Stop & Frisk program (paraphrased, I don't have time to find the quote).
Stop & Frisk isn't going away, but it should. The program is a violation of Constitutional rights. I haven't read the grounds of the case or the published decision. I'm sure there will be another court battle.
Stop & Frisk isn't going away, but it should. The program is a violation of Constitutional rights. I haven't read the grounds of the case or the published decision. I'm sure there will be another court battle.
davidmcbeth
Banned
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/stop-frisk-violated-rights-judge-article-1.1424287
link to opinion - no FB visit required ....
link to opinion - no FB visit required ....
color of law
Accomplished Advocate
When you read the remedies you will see there is nothing left but its name (stop and frisk). The judge emptied the cooking jar.
And the worse part for NY is many cops will have to wear video cameras. No more he says she says.
The Donkey
New member
What's the matter? You have a problem with free enterprise?
Another example of creeping socialism.
But hey, don't let that stop you from friending a good consigliere: as the Bloomberg experience illustrates, commeth the revolution, even socialists will sometimes require the services of a good firearms friendly lawyer:
https://www.facebook.com/GreidingerLegalWorks?ref=br_tf
The Donkey
New member
It's complicated, but this ruling almost certainly means that Bloomberg's aggressive and unconstitutional "stop and frisk" campaign is over.
http://jurist.org/paperchase/2013/11/federal-appeals-court-upholds-stop-and-frisk-ruling.php
Bloomberg has not stopped trying to impose his brand of conservative communitarian paternalism on the rest of the USA.
This sets him back considerably.
http://jurist.org/paperchase/2013/11/federal-appeals-court-upholds-stop-and-frisk-ruling.php
Bloomberg has not stopped trying to impose his brand of conservative communitarian paternalism on the rest of the USA.
This sets him back considerably.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
Yep of the two major parties there is no liberal one, there are two conservative (maintaining the status quo of increasing government intrusion) parties.......
The Donkey
New member
All such labels are rather imprecise.
Most historians label Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson as the major examples of progressive politicians.
What do you see as the commonality?