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    Poor form. Woman does right to bear arms no favors

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...op-at-walmart/

    "People of Walmart" open carry edition (sort of).
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    So sloppy people aren't allowed to defend themselves with firearms?

    Not everyone is a salesman. Some just like the goods.

    I find absolutely nothing wrong with her, except that I'm not likely to ask her out on a date.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    So sloppy people aren't allowed to defend themselves with firearms?
    We live in a statist society, where most people feel only the state's drones should be armed. Like it or not, every OCer is a spokesperson.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    I see nothing wrong with how the young lady is dressed.
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    Hey, I already was an ambassador when I was in uniform overseas. I was a bad one though as I kicked the crap outta anyone who bad mouthed the USA ...


    I'm no longer an ambassador ... so no more "Mr. Nice Guy"

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    We live in a statist society, where most people feel only the state's drones should be armed. Like it or not, every OCer is a spokesperson.
    please cite a poll that shows that most people ( >50%) in the US feel only govt. agents (LEOs etc.) should be armed...

    EVERY poll I have seen show a strong majority of the public supporting RKBA. You said "armed" btw and NOT OC. I have no idea what the stats are vis a vis OC, but I know you are full of poop when you say most people feel only govt. agents should be armed. Not in this country.

    Different wording gets slightly different responses, but most polls I have seen show around 65% (2/3) of the public supporting right of the public to keep and bear arms

    35% is not "most"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    So sloppy people aren't allowed to defend themselves with firearms?
    +1

    The cause of liberty will get a lot further by asking that question than criticizing a person's dress.

    Rights are rights are rights are rights.

    I didn't like Leonard Embody's approach to 2A activism, nor CrapPatriot's conversational tactics when videoing cops, but I'll defend them because they were exercising rights and government had no business interfering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post


    Rights are rights are rights are rights.
    Not if you are old and are only able to handle a .22.
    Or can only afford a .22.
    Not if you are unable or unwilling or choose to not carry in condition 1.
    Not if you don't take commando training 3 days a week.
    Not if you whisper Israeli Draw around here.
    Not if you don't carry a 1911 with a 1911 as a back-up.
    Not if you don't pray to the .45 gods every night before bed.
    Not if you think your personal interactions and actions determine how you represent the community. Instead of your appearance.

    I've learned a hell of a lot on this forum. And there are few to no ambassadors anymore in the OCDO culture. The firearms culture used to be about safety and community. Knowledge. Family. It used to be about sharing and appreciating all the different options and flavors. Now it's if you open carry you suck *****. If you like .22 pistols you suck *****... Do what I say or you are a **** sucker. What I've learned is the whole ambassador thing is just another gun myth. Can't have ambassadors to a culture that doesn't even exist anymore.
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    Gross over generalizations are but exaggerations - not exactly accurate. IMO some people prefer to promote the negative aspect that they perceive in others.

    By and large a vast majority of the OC community is comprised of intelligent, well versed, and responsible people who tend to judge others who OC by one common standard - How do they act while representing us. Not what are they wearing, not what ethnic background are they, not what style clothing do they wear, not even if they are from around here.

    Again - it is only how they act. That lady is fine in my book from all that I can see. She is acting responsibly and OCing as she goes about her normal every day business. Kudos!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post

    Again - it is only how they act. That lady is fine in my book from all that I can see. She is acting responsibly and OCing as she goes about her normal every day business. Kudos!
    I think the lady is carrying foolishly and sloppily. The gun is behind her in what looks to be a no retention holster with buttcrack exposed. This is not an image OCers should want to project.

    Should she be forbidden from carrying in this manner? No. She's just not doing the cause any favors.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    She is carrying a properly holstered IWB firearm. If you choose to, enlarge the photo and the leather and belt clips are clearly visible.

    OCDO apparently has some fashion snobs as members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    She is carrying a properly holstered IWB firearm. If you choose to, enlarge the photo and the leather and belt clips are clearly visible.
    --snip--.
    Having gone back and enlarged the image considerably, it even appears that her holster might have a thumb break - very grainy though.

    While retention is considered good, it is by no means a requirement and hopefully never will be.
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    Re: Poor form. Woman does right to bear arms no favors

    People are so worried about the cause... the fact is everyone is different and thus we should just be happy she is taking personal defense seriously. Most people don't even notice the gun even when I carry I stainless steel sw 5906 in a safariland drop holster. If they don't notice how can I affect the cause? The few that do notice don't seem to care even when I have it in a shoulder rig. again while how you dress may reduce law enforcement encounters or how they treat you I really fail to see it doing anything one way or the other for the cause. A persons behavior is far more important than how they dress.

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    Picky, picky, picky

    What in the world is wrong with how she looks? "Freedom of Expression" needs elbow room to survive. Let's concentrate on the laws being passed or upheld that infringe upon our rights.

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    Personally I would never carry that way, but that is only because I don't like the thought of not being able to check my firearm. But aside from that, like the others I don't see anything wrong with it. To me it looks like a normal everyday person exercising their right to protect themselves and their family, if you start to insult someone or say negative things because of how they are dressed you are no better then the big wigs trying to take away our rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Gross over generalizations are but exaggerations - not exactly accurate.
    Really? Because on this forum (Wi) Nazir was lambasted for how he carried his pistol (condition 3) among other things. Instead of being praised for surviving an armed robbery. And he is the perfect spokesperson for the community. Smart, articulate, and someone who actually walked the walk. Mention Open Carry anywhere but here. Then stand back and prepare yourself for the showering of praise from your "fellow" gun enthusiasts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Gross over generalizations are but exaggerations - not exactly accurate. IMO some people prefer to promote the negative aspect that they perceive in others.

    By and large a vast majority of the OC community is comprised of intelligent, well versed, and responsible people who tend to judge others who OC by one common standard - How do they act while representing us. Not what are they wearing, not what ethnic background are they, not what style clothing do they wear, not even if they are from around here.

    Again - it is only how they act. That lady is fine in my book from all that I can see. She is acting responsibly and OCing as she goes about her normal every day business. Kudos!
    Originally Posted by Grapeshot

    Gross over generalizations are but exaggerations - not exactly accurate.
    --The snip that HandyHamlet quoted--
    Quote Originally Posted by HandyHamlet View Post
    Really? Because on this forum (Wi) Nazir was lambasted for how he carried his pistol (condition 3) among other things. Instead of being praised for surviving an armed robbery. And he is the perfect spokesperson for the community. Smart, articulate, and someone who actually walked the walk. Mention Open Carry anywhere but here. Then stand back and prepare yourself for the showering of praise from your "fellow" gun enthusiasts.
    Handy I've got 2 problems with what you did.

    First is that you quoted me out of context and your reply would make it seem that I said something that I most assuredly did not.
    BTW - I will stand behind my statement though that "gross generalizations are but exaggerations - not exactly accurate."

    Secondly, I have not a clue as to why you tied my remarks to Nazir and people's response to him. The subject of this thread and to which I was replying was the Wal-Mart lady who OCd.

    Lastly, I mention OC by deed and word virtually 24/7 and while I am not interested in praise of any type, I also seldom hear a discouraging word. That includes fellow gunnies, grandmother newbies, my barber and his family in a restaurant, the gas station attendant, the shop keeper who didn't know OC was legal and a host of others.

    If your point is that we see too much infighting and poor communication, to that I would agree. Still a big smile and even tone go a long way to making friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    First is that you quoted me out of context and your reply would make it seem .....
    No I didn't. I was in a hurry and didn't post
    ....
    or [snip]. My apologies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Secondly, I have not a clue as to why you tied my remarks to Nazir and people's response to him. The subject of this thread and to which I was replying was the Wal-Mart lady who OCd.
    See below.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    If your point is that we see too much infighting and poor communication, to that I would agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Still a big smile and even tone go a long way to making friends.
    In theory anyway. And yet we are posting in a thread trashing a fellow carrier instead of praising her for being one of us...
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    Originally Posted by Grapeshot

    Still a big smile and even tone go a long way to making friends.
    Quote Originally Posted by HandyHamlet View Post
    --snip--
    In theory anyway. And yet we are posting in a thread trashing a fellow carrier instead of praising her for being one of us...
    The title is unfortunate, but has been firmly rebutted IMO. All that is known (limited to what we see) is quite supportive here I believe.
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    You know as well as I do this this is not the first time this has been brought up on this forum. Not by a long shot. Although I will give you this. The comments posted here are refreshing.
    "Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties."
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    So sloppy people aren't allowed to defend themselves with firearms?

    Not everyone is a salesman. Some just like the goods.

    I find absolutely nothing wrong with her, except that I'm not likely to ask her out on a date.
    I'm with Mac.

    I don't dress like that. My wife doesn't dress like that. My daughter won't dress like that.

    But that doesn't mean the woman in the pic shouldn't be open carrying.

    Like it or not, she bears a strong resemblance to the average American.

    I'm actually glad to see her carrying. It shows that normal people do what normal people do, and when they do it, they carry for their protection.

    This does more to normalize open carrying than a guy like me (military background, neat-not military-haircut, trimmed beard, in good physical condition, dressed conservatively) because when someone sees me in khakis and a polo shirt or a tie open carrying, they think I'm an off-duty cop or detective and go back to grazing. Nobody mistakes her for an agent of the state. They look at her and see a woman who takes her own safety seriously. Probably a mom. Probably a wife. Certainly someone's daughter. Good to see her taking care of herself.

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    IWB tuckable holster with retention? The only thing she's short of when it comes to "good form" is a strong belt.

    Everything else is a matter of style, and I'd argue that she's being a helluva lot better amabassador for guns and open carry than that bunch of snobs commenting at TTAG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    IWB tuckable holster with retention? --snip--.
    Not sure what the question is - IWB holsters are available with retension.

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    After further consideration, she could be hot. Just need a pic from a different perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    After further consideration, she could be hot. Just need a pic from a different perspective.
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