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    Sheriff arrested for defending citizen's 2A rights...

    In a developing story, Sheriff Nick Finch was arrested, charged with a felony and suspended without pay for supporting a citizenís 2nd Amendment rights.

    http://benswann.com/exclusive-fl-she...ndment-rights/

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    A case of Octavian going after Cicero?
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    I don't see that the Sheriff was arrested for defending anybody's 2A rights. Per the arrest warrant affidavit he took a public record and said document has not been seen since. The affidavif speculates that the document was then destroyed.

    That the Sheriff believed that Parrish should not have been arrested, or that the law is a bad one that he prefer not be enforced in his jurisdiction, are subordinate to the fact that he took a public document and possibly (probably) then destroyed it. That is not any of the methods recognized as legal/lawful for stopping/preventing the arrest of persons suspected of violating the law the Sheriff believes violates the rights of citizens. You know, like seeking an injunction, or starting up a campaign to have the law repealed.

    Even if one supports the Sheriff's position that the law in question should not be enforced because it does violate rights guaranteed under 2A or violates other laws, there should be no support for him removing (and possibly destroying) a public record. Not even if he removed (and possibly destroyed) the public records relating to every single person ever arrested on a charge of violating the law about needing/carrying a license in order to carry a handgun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    I don't see that the Sheriff was arrested for defending anybody's 2A rights. Per the arrest warrant affidavit he took a public record and said document has not been seen since. The affidavif speculates that the document was then destroyed.

    That the Sheriff believed that Parrish should not have been arrested, or that the law is a bad one that he prefer not be enforced in his jurisdiction, are subordinate to the fact that he took a public document and possibly (probably) then destroyed it. That is not any of the methods recognized as legal/lawful for stopping/preventing the arrest of persons suspected of violating the law the Sheriff believes violates the rights of citizens. You know, like seeking an injunction, or starting up a campaign to have the law repealed.

    Even if one supports the Sheriff's position that the law in question should not be enforced because it does violate rights guaranteed under 2A or violates other laws, there should be no support for him removing (and possibly destroying) a public record. Not even if he removed (and possibly destroyed) the public records relating to every single person ever arrested on a charge of violating the law about needing/carrying a license in order to carry a handgun.

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    Wrong. His actions can be in defense of someone's 2A rights and illegal at the same time. He was not utilizing the law to protect someone's rights, which is one way to do it, and perhaps the only way that can be advocated on this forum, but he was protecting someone's rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator View Post
    Wrong. His actions can be in defense of someone's 2A rights and illegal at the same time. He was not utilizing the law to protect someone's rights, which is one way to do it, and perhaps the only way that can be advocated on this forum, but he was protecting someone's rights.
    If the law clearly states that you must have a permission slip in your possession, and you do not, then you are liable for arrest when discovered by a police officer. The discussion of any need for a permission slip as infringing upon (different from defending) someoine's 2A rights has been effectively mooted except as a philosophical discussion regarding the "reasonable restrictions" issue. As the person arrested did have, albeit "reasonably" restricted, a right to keep and to bear arms I fail to see how the behavior of the Sheriff can be categorized as "defending" 2A rights.

    This brings us to an impass. You see any restriction as a complete deprivation of 2A rights while I see the "reasonable restriction" issue as unacceptable infringement but not absolute deprivation of those 2A rights. It is highly unlikely either of us will change the mind of the other. As the forum rules prohibit the espousal and encoragement of illegal/unlawful behavior, I gain and hold the moral high ground, and reinforce my possession by encouraging addressing the issue at hand via legal/lawful methods.

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    Taking (and possibly destroying) the paperwork did not defend the carrier's rights. Releasing him and refusing to arrest him would be such a defense--as would stopping anyone else from arresting him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BriKuz View Post
    In a developing story, Sheriff Nick Finch was arrested, charged with a felony and suspended without pay for supporting a citizenís 2nd Amendment rights.

    http://benswann.com/exclusive-fl-she...ndment-rights/
    And exactly what was he charged with? "protecting 2nd amendment rights" is not an arrestable offense.

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    Perhaps so David. But treason is.
    And to the socialist dictator in office, the sheriff is committing treason by honoring and respecting the US Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan 5 View Post
    Perhaps so David. But treason is.
    And to the socialist dictator in office, the sheriff is committing treason by honoring and respecting the US Constitution.
    Was he charged with treason? Its just I have searched and cannot find out what he was charged with.

    It would be quite a laugh if he was charged with treason - he was just using the authority given to him by the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Was he charged with treason? Its just I have searched and cannot find out what he was charged with.

    It would be quite a laugh if he was charged with treason - he was just using the authority given to him by the state.
    But...he was still charged. So if the can make up those charges, they can make up treason charges, and logically speaking, treason charges have more ground. It's not right in either case, however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan 5 View Post
    But...he was still charged. So if the can make up those charges, ....
    Pleasae explain how the charges brought were "made up", as opposed to reflecting actual behavior that allegedly violated the law.

    "Made up" suggests that someone just grabbed the charges out of thin air without anything in the way of behavior to back them up. Such as charges of treason might be grabbed out of thin air.

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