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    Religion and guns.

    Just wondering. Ya think we could make a religion that would require us to carry a firearm, like some religions require carrying a knife, or wearing a turbine? It seems you can not be discriminated against in businesses, in public, or at work.

    I'm thinking, the "Holy order of Piece"
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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    Just wondering. Ya think we could make a religion that would require us to carry a firearm, like some religions require carrying a knife, or wearing a turbine? It seems you can not be discriminated against in businesses, in public, or at work.

    I'm thinking, the "Holy order of Piece"
    I couldn't bring myself to join Jet Pilots for God because of the requirement to wear a turbine.

    Same for the Church of Hydroelectric Engineers, and the Shrine of Superchargers.

    I understand Sikhs do pretty good with turbans, though.

    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Roscoe Rosecrucians?

    Church of the Holy Target?

    Church of the Reloaders Redemption?



    We'll need a doctrine and some hymns. It goes without saying that the censers will burn ball powder.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Re: Religeon and guns.

    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    I couldn't bring myself to join Jet Pilots for God because of the requirement to wear a turbine.

    Same for the Church of Hydroelectric Engineers, and the Shrine of Superchargers.

    I understand Sikhs do pretty good with turbans, though.

    Okay, ya got me. That was pretty funny

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    This has already been done, and it's even specific to OC. We just need to make it official.

    http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/122360982

    Wouldn't that be ironic if that disgusting satire came back at them like that?

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    Our Father, which art in FFL,
    Hallowing targets by thee aim.
    Thy ammo come.
    Thy will be done in a range,
    As it is our heaven.
    Give us this day our daily carry.
    And forgive us our trespasses,
    As we defend against those that trespass against us.
    And lead used for termination.
    But deliver us from evil,
    So that we need not draw down on anyone.
    For thine is the glock,
    the smith and Wesson,
    The power, and the glory,

    For ever and ever.

    Amen-ition.
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    Religeon and guns.

    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    Our Father, which art in FFL,
    Hallowing targets by thee aim.
    Thy ammo come.
    Thy will be done in a range,
    As it is our heaven.
    Give us this day our daily carry.
    And forgive us our trespasses,
    As we defend against those that trespass against us.
    And lead used for termination.
    But deliver us from evil,
    So that we need not draw down on anyone.
    For thine is the glock,
    the smith and Wesson,
    The power, and the glory,

    For ever and ever.

    Amen-ition.
    Wow... Okay I'm down


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    Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.

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    On A hill far away stands an old rugged range
    That's unused and littered with brass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine View Post
    This has already been done, and it's even specific to OC. We just need to make it official.

    http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/122360982

    Wouldn't that be ironic if that disgusting satire came back at them like that?
    but you can only carry a S&W 586 plus (remember at the end when she kills everyone with a "7 shot revolver" )
    how am I supposed to afford to join this "church" would my 586 plus be tax exempt under a "ministry of religion" write off.....
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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    Re: Religion and guns.

    I am already a member of The Congregation of The Enlightened Pistolero (COTEP for short).

    Unfortunately we don't have any rules other than you must like (preferably own) Dan Wesson guns, and we aren't technically a religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    but you can only carry a S&W 586 plus (remember at the end when she kills everyone with a "7 shot revolver" )
    how am I supposed to afford to join this "church" would my 586 plus be tax exempt under a "ministry of religion" write off.....
    I am an ordained minister, you'd be a deacon I figure. I'd vouch for ya.

    The Church of Holy $#!^?
    The Ministry of Independence?
    ....


    After service we would go to the congregation owned range, in the back of the church building.
    Have pot luck and target practice.... Hmmmm.... If we put our heads together I am sure we could come up with an official religious script.

    Thought shall at all times and in all places carry with you a modern day equivalent of a sword/pistol. For thy life is worth more than that of those who wish to enact harm upon you.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    And all this time I thought that the only true church is the Powerhouse Church of the Presumptuous Assumption of the Blinding Light!
    Rev. Robert Apgood, Esq.

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    There already is such a religion although few who claim to be adherents really follow it. The name? Christianity.

    Check out Luke 22:36.

    And, yes, I do appreciate the humor in this thread.
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    I am looking for a church that mandates that you openly carry a firearm to belong to it, that way my work can not discriminate against me carrying a firearm while at work, because that would be discrimination based on religious preference. That would be against the law. I wonder how schools, courts, post offices, and especially local business would handle that.
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    If we can get it official, you can sign me up. Can I have an amen, and pass the ammunition!
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    Nobody will take us seriously unless we have a martyr.

    Volunteers?

    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Nobody will take us seriously unless we have a martyr.

    Volunteers?

    Uh, what do I have to do to qualify? I OC'd without issue at the Woodland Park Zoo, and The Museum of Flight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    Our Father, which art in FFL,
    Hallowing targets by thee aim.
    Thy ammo come.
    Thy will be done in a range,
    As it is our heaven.
    Give us this day our daily carry.
    And forgive us our trespasses,
    As we defend against those that trespass against us.
    And lead used for termination.
    But deliver us from evil,
    So that we need not draw down on anyone.
    For thine is the glock,
    the smith and Wesson,
    The power, and the glory,

    For ever and ever.

    Amen-ition.
    This completely floored me. Great job! Very creative.
    Since we are writing the prayers and what-not, I think I have a candidate for the hymn book: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4-h-Wx08kw
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    SNIP...Church of the Holy Target?

    Church of the Reloaders Redemption?


    We'll need a doctrine and some hymns. It goes without saying that the censers will burn ball powder.
    I like the ring to both of those names. We can vote on it later.
    I posted a link to a possible hymn above, and I may have found another, more somber one. Enjoy:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww5H8_2QAyg

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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    Uh, what do I have to do to qualify? I OC'd without issue at the Woodland Park Zoo, and The Museum of Flight?
    Well, like I said, if we want to be taken seriously...

    Its gonna take a serious martyr. A real one. Its gonna look a bit powder-puff if some Catholics, Bhuddists, or Sikhs can wave their hand dismissively and say, "Our martyrs actually died."

    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    With absolutely no intention of turning this into a religion thread, this might be interesting

    The Westminster Larger Catechism actually addresses self defense and that of the innocent, with Scripture proofs.

    Q. 134. Which is the sixth commandment?
    A. The sixth commandment is, Thou shalt not kill.m

    (m) Exod 20:13; Deut 5:17

    Q. 135. What are the duties required in the sixth commandment?
    A. The duties required in the sixth commandment are, all careful studies, and lawful endeavors, to preserve the life of ourselvesn and otherso by resisting all thoughts and purposes,p subduing all passions,q and avoiding all occasions,r temptations,s and practices, which tend to the unjust taking away the life of any;t by just defense thereof against violence,u patient bearing of the hand of God,w quietness of mind,x cheerfulness of spirit;y a sober use of meat,z drink,a physic,b sleep,c labor,d and recreations;e by charitable thoughts,f love,g compassion,h meekness, gentleness, kindness;i peaceable,k mild, and courteous speeches and behavior;l forbearance, readiness to be reconciled, patient bearing and forgiving of injuries, and requiting good for evil;m comforting and succoring the distressed, and protecting and defending the innocent.n'

    (n) Eph 5:28-29
    (o) 1 Kgs 18:4
    (p) Jer 26:15-16; Acts 23:12,16-17,21,27
    (q) Eph 4:26-27
    (r) 2 Sam 2:22-23; Deut 22:8
    (s) Matt 4:6-7; Prov 1:10-11,15-16
    (t) Gen 37:21-22; 1 Sam 24:12
    (u) Ps 82:4; Prov 24:11-12; 1 Sam 14:45; Jer 38:7-13
    (w) Jas 5:10-11; Heb 12:9; 2 Sam 16:10-12
    (x) 1 Thess 4:11; 1 Pet 3:3-4; Ps 37:8,11
    Prov 17:22
    (z) Prov 23:20; Prov 25:16,27
    (a) 1 Tim 5:23
    (b) Isa 38:21
    (c) Ps 127:2
    (d) 2 Thess 3:12; Eccl 5:12
    (e) Eccl 3:4,11; Mark 6:31
    (f) 1 Sam 19:4-5; 1 Sam 22:13-14
    (g) Rom 13:10
    (h) Luke 10:33-34
    (i) Col 3:12-13
    (k) Jas 3:17
    (l) 1 Pet 3:8-11; 1 Cor 4:12-13; Prov 15:1; Judg 8:1-3
    (m) Matt 5:24; Eph 4:2,32; Rom 12:17,20-21
    (n') 1 Thess 5:14; Matt 25:35-36; Prov 31:8-9; Job 31:19-20; Isa 58:7

    Q. 136. What are the sins forbidden in the sixth commandment?
    A. The sins forbidden in the sixth commandment are, all taking away the life of ourselves,o or of others,p except in case of public justice,q lawful war,r or necessary defense;s the neglecting or withdrawing the lawful and necessary means of preservation of life;t sinful anger,u hatred,w envy,x desire of revenge;y all excessive passions,z distracting cares;a immoderate use of meat, drink,b labor,c and recreations;d provoking words,e oppression,f quarreling,g striking, wounding,h and whatsoever else tends to the destruction of the life of any.i

    (o) Acts 16:28
    (p) Gen 9:6
    (q) Num 35:31,33; Rom 13:4
    (r) Heb 11:32-34
    (s) Exod 22:2
    (t) Matt 25:42-43; Jas 2:15-16
    (u) Matt 5:22
    (w) 1 John 3:15; Lev 19:17
    (x) Prov 14:30
    Rom 12:19
    (z) Eph 4:31
    (a) Matt 6:31,34
    (b) Luke 21:34; Rom 13:13
    (c) Eccl 12:12; Eccl 2:22-23
    (d) Isa 5:12
    (e) Prov 15:1; Prov 12:18
    (f) Exod 1:14; Isa 3:15
    (g) Gal 5:15; Prov 23:29
    (h) Num 35:16-17
    (i) Exod 21:29

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired View Post
    There already is such a religion although few who claim to be adherents really follow it. The name? Christianity.

    Check out Luke 22:36.

    And, yes, I do appreciate the humor in this thread.
    Questionable at best, It seems Mathew, Mark, and John didn't see it fit to insert that tidbit in their accounts, and doesn't Jesus say in Mathew that all who live by the sword shall perish by it?
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Questionable at best, It seems Mathew, Mark, and John didn't see it fit to insert that tidbit in their accounts, and doesn't Jesus say in Mathew that all who live by the sword shall perish by it?
    Living by and using one for self defense or for our natural right of resistance are two very separate things.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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