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    Which does Occam's Razor favor?

    (1) There exists an immensely complex, uncreated super-intelligent being.

    (2) The universe began as a simple, uncreated singularity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minarchist View Post

    (1) There exists an immensely complex, uncreated super-intelligent being.

    (2) The universe began as a simple, uncreated singularity.

    (1)

    "...[self-]created...being[s]."
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    Karl Popper mentions Heraclitus, calling his Universe a chaotic trash heap, in 'Open Society'. Read Lee Smolin that also mentions Heraclitus

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    Wasn't he excommunicated?

    Clearly it is easier to say that God made the universe. Simple yes?

    Plus, this idea is not suitable to examine the existence or nonexistence of a supreme being.

    And there is little data supporting a singularity as being the beginning of our universe.

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    The OP question has built-in bias, designed to get the desired answer.

    Phrase it in a less hateful way, and you might get some worthwhile answers.

    BTW, folks who attempt to answer such a question (or pose it) might just want to make sure they know what Occam's Razor really says, not just pop-culture version.

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    Re: Which does Occam's Razor favor?

    It favors neither. The correct question is:

    What explanation for the universe is favored most by Occam's Razor?

    The answer, based on all available common current suggestions, is "Ancestor Simulation"

    I prefer to believe this isn't the case, but mathematically it is the most likely.

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    Yes... put more thought into the question and then repose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by georg jetson View Post
    Yes... put more thought into the question and then repose.
    Why would anyone need to rest after putting more thought into the question? Is it that physically demanding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Why would anyone need to rest after putting more thought into the question? Is it that physically demanding?

    My bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by arentol View Post
    It favors neither. The correct question is:

    What explanation for the universe its favored most by Occam's Razor?

    The answer, based on all available common current suggestions, is "Ancestor Simulation"

    I prefer to believe this isn't the case, but mathematically it is the most likely.

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    Are you referring to the holographic universe theory?

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    String theory....God dropped a string, it bumped into another string, that God dropped, and BANG! Here we are.

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    Re: Which does Occam's Razor favor?

    Quote Originally Posted by minarchist View Post
    Are you referring to the holographic universe theory?
    Nope, that one is just silly. Ancestor Simulation....

    www.simulation-argument.com

    The primary part to read is Nick Bostrom's original paper on the subject from 2003.

    Interestingly, it actually does mean there is an all powerful creator, just not the kind we expect.

    Another interesting thing about it is that it is the only explanation that fits for the show Lost. The first year the producers said there was a scientific explanation for everything that happened on the show.... But there isn't except for the whole world being a simulation and the island being the place errors in the simulation go to be fixed a/o studied to improve the simulation.

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    Why does it have to be 1 or 2? I vote for option 3

    I give you The Last Question by Isaac Asimov

    http://www.thrivenotes.com/the-last-question/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lasjayhawk View Post
    Why does it have to be 1 or 2? I vote for option 3

    I give you The Last Question by Isaac Asimov

    http://www.thrivenotes.com/the-last-question/


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