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    Facebook - Is it "safe"?

    Information about you and your personal data may be released per requests from foreign and domestic governments - some 38,000 have already been given out in the first half of this year.

    http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/na...9bb30f31a.html
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    Facebook - Is it "safe"? No.

    Facebook - Is it "safe"? DIASPORA* development started in 2010 in recognition of the need for users control of "privacy".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Information about you and your personal data may be released per requests from foreign and domestic governments - some 38,000 have already been given out in the first half of this year.

    http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/na...9bb30f31a.html
    Hey hey now. Your information is as safe at facebook as it is with the IRS....completely....hey, what happened to my checking account....goshdsgfsfde!!!IRS

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    It is common knowledge Facebook is stalked by every Gov agency there is. The FBI and DHS bragged about social media monitoring programs on their own web sites.

    Nothing is safe.
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    No. Assume every scumbag person that works for the government is looking at your data and is going to break into your house and rape and then kill your dog.

    On the plus side your probably not dong anything illegal and your really not that interesting.

    It's just infuriating that these people are so willing to shred the US Constitution and the Bill of rights, if anyone in my familty was involded in this I would daily spit on them.
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    It's safe for me. I don't do the beast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyHamlet View Post
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    Nothing is safe.
    Nothing is safe.

    I would delete my facebook, but my wife would be upset. You may be asking, "what's more important?" I counter with, "what's more dangerous?" The NSA reading a couple of your liberty minded status updates, or living with a woman scorned?
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    It's as safe as this forum. That means: not so safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawnos View Post
    It's as safe as this forum. That means: not so safe.
    This forum is publicly read w/o registering, but registered user's private information is kept in confidence and zealously guarded.

    Facebook is not publicly read, is allegedly private if you so select by invitation/approval only - except that it is really not so well guarded/protected when they give the information away w/o warrant.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    This forum is publicly read w/o registering, but registered user's private information is kept in confidence and zealously guarded.

    Facebook is not publicly read, is allegedly private if you so select by invitation/approval only - except that it is really not so well guarded/protected when they give the information away w/o warrant.
    What information? how can the Face Book know if you're lying or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    What information? how can the Face Book know if you're lying or not?
    Between your email address(es) and your IP + you may also have given out a phone number, picture of your vehicle that shows the license plate, but was supposed to be restricted to private/trusted friends only (like our PMs) - there are lots of ways for them to be able to walk right to your front door......and that is no lie.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    This forum is publicly read w/o registering, but registered user's private information is kept in confidence and zealously guarded.
    Meaning that the government agents will actually have to take 3 minutes to get a warrant and then you'll hand over everything..... Unless you're willing to pull a Susan McDougal I wouldn't consider anything posted here to be "zealously guarded"

    The true rule is I try not to say anything online I wouldn't want posted on the front page of the Kitsap Sun quoted to me....
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    --snip--

    The true rule is I try not to say anything online I wouldn't want posted on the front page of the Kitsap Sun quoted to me....
    The Kitsap Sun would make for some interesting reading from time to time where that the case
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    I maintain no expectation of privacy on Facebook. If I post anything, it's something I don't mind anyone and everyone reading and associating to me. Regardless of the privacy statements made by Facebook, your discretion in posts is the only true privacy safeguard that's 100% secure.
    I want to keep our founding fathers' visions and rights for this country pure. I implore you to do the same.

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    That said, the world is much more "accepting" in "what is considered acceptable" in sharing. Individuals are much more tenacious in airing political beliefs, etc. than prior social media.
    I want to keep our founding fathers' visions and rights for this country pure. I implore you to do the same.

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    It may have taken the F.B.I. 3 weeks to reach the Bengazi "diplomatic station" - but it won't take them long to send you an invitation for " interview " at your local police station - if your fingers happen to "land" upon certain sequences of keys on Face Book.

    I wouldn't inscribe anything on Face Book that I wouldn't place on a billboard .

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    One Key to Rule Them All: Threats Against Facebook, Wikimedia Private Encryption Keys

    August 29, 2013 | By Cindy Cohn and Dan Auerbach
    One Key to Rule Them All: Threats Against Service Provider Private Encryption Keys

    EFF has worked hard to convince organizations like Facebook and Wikimedia to join the ranks of many other large and small websites including Twitter, Gmail, and EFF in supporting HTTPS by default, and we're happy to see steady progress from major service providers on this front.

    While increased deployment of HTTPS is a huge step forward in securing the web and protecting user communications, it is not a silver bullet. There are many types of attacks on HTTPS that we need to be vigilant about, but here we want to focus on one in particular -- how safe are the private encryption keys of service providers?

    In order to understand why this question is so important, it is worth taking stock of a remarkable and scary fact about how HTTPS works: for any given website, the same key is used to protect all user communications on that website.

    It is important to take a moment to fully absorb this, so let's walk through the example of Facebook. Every single one of the billions of transactions that occur on the social network every day are encrypted based on information derived from the same private key held by Facebook. This means that knowledge of the mere 2048 bits of data that comprise this key1 – small enough to be scribbled on a single piece of paper and mistaken for a 2nd grader's math homework – is all that stands between a powerful attacker and full, unfettered access to the plaintext communications of over a billion users of the popular social network: every private message, every chat, everything.

    ............ Let's walk through them.

    Law Enforcement and Intelligence Agency Access


    Theft


    Weak keys, and breakthroughs in cryptanalysis


    What can be done to protect private keys?


    Conclusion

    The private SSL keys underlying HTTPS connections can unlock a huge amount of information. As we fight to increase HTTPS adoption and to improve the security of HTTPS, we must also ensure that private keys remain out of the hands of eager governments and criminals.

    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/0...ncryption-keys

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    It's safe for me. I don't do the beast.
    Same here.

    Why would you willingly give out your name, photo, list of associations, personal info etc? It is a treasure trove, not just for .gov or scumbags but for everyone else.

    Sure, privacy is by and large gone, but why add to it?

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    Facebook can use your photo in ads under new policy. MJS - Murkee Urinal Guardian

    Facebook is proposing new changes to its policies that will allow Facebook to use your name, profile photo and content in ads without compensation. The proposed update is set to go into effect in about a week, in September. [... ] "We revised our explanation of how things like your name, profile picture and content may be used in connection with ads or commercial content to make it clear that you are granting Facebook permission for this use when you use our services," Facebook's chief privacy officer Erin Egan wrote in an announcement of the proposed changes Thursday.

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    Your personal information has always been the de facto "cost" of "free services", online and offline.

    Go sign up for a "free giveaway" (offline, at a store or restaurant or something) and see if you don't get an increase in junk mail.
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    Facebook - Is it "safe"?

    I haven't gotten one single piece of junk mail since I moved. I got junk mail from day 1 at my Fairborn apartment.

    I actually looked forward weekly to my Red Plum mailing. I used the hell outta those coupons.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I haven't gotten one single piece of junk mail since I moved. I got junk mail from day 1 at my Fairborn apartment.

    I actually looked forward weekly to my Red Plum mailing. I used the hell outta those coupons.


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    Hehe, I had basically the opposite experience. Ever since I moved, I now get LOADS of coupons and junk in the mail, but it's addressed to resident and not me specifically, so it must just be where I live/due to the previous residents signing up for crap. I do use the coupons sometimes, though.

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