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    Potential outcome: World War III

    Very disturbing. Im am not sure the US Government wants to push Russia...

    Russia warns of catastrophic consequences if US meddles in Syria

    Russian officials today hit back at the United States and its allies after Secretary of State John Kerry warned Monday that the Syrian government would face consequences for last week's alleged chemical weapons attack.
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    Why would Mutually Assured Destruction be a less effective deterrent now, today, than during the Cold War?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Why would Mutually Assured Destruction be a less effective deterrent now, today, than during the Cold War?
    Because the U.S. government has stolen so much for the wars including it's various wars on subjective concepts it has depleted much of it's resources.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    The resources upon which MAD depends are only marginally depleted in the East and the West, from annihilating our universe many times over to many times over less one. The Second and Third Worlds, and their wannabees, will be mere onlookers holding the match. "Oh, shiite, look what just happened."

    Read the Poverty of Historicism, or maybe just what is historicism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    The resources upon which MAD depends are only marginally depleted, from annihilating our universe many times over to many times over less one.
    Ahh I see. I think I misunderstood the main point you were making. Very true it matters not whether they have the ability to annihilate the world 10 times instead of 12.

    I was thinking more along the lines of the coexisting cold war that went along with MAD. That part would be a different game since the U.S. is not the economic might it once was.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    I was thinking more along the lines of the coexisting cold war that went along with MAD. That part would be a different game since the U.S. is not the economic might it once was.
    Really? So the world/international economy is not a zero-sum game? From which Group of industrialized nations has the U. S. withdrawn/been suspended, G-2, G-3, G-4, ... G-n+1?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Really? So the world/international economy is not a zero-sum game? From which Group of industrialized nations has the U. S. withdrawn/been suspended, G-2, G-3, G-4, ... G-n+1?
    I haven't said they have been suspended they just are not as economically viable as they used to be.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Russia has a lot of oil, right? Maybe the chinese and us can share ..

    Sharing is good, right?
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    I think I'm in the minority, when saying we should keep our nose out of it for now. The country as a whole, is in so much debt, it isn't funny anymore. For once, let another one of our allies deal with policing the world's problems. It's not that i don't care, but with the economy, job's, and debt the way it is, we have no business throwing money away. Russia seem's to be all up in everything lately, let them handle it and see how it turns out.

    That area of the world seems to thrive on chaos, what happened to being friendly to your neighbor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    I haven't said they have been suspended they just are not as economically viable as they used to be.
    +1

    Teetering on the brink may be more accurate. Check this out: http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/08/g...ooks%e2%80%a8/
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    Will Obama authorize the button to be pushed?

    I'm pretty sure I know how Putin will respond.

    Among many other reasons/influences, the "Evil Empire" died because Regan was known to be willing to push the button. Is the US military (Chiefs of Staff) willing to stage a coup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpguy View Post
    I think I'm in the minority, when saying we should keep our nose out of it for now. The country as a whole, is in so much debt, it isn't funny anymore. For once, let another one of our allies deal with policing the world's problems. It's not that i don't care, but with the economy, job's, and debt the way it is, we have no business throwing money away. Russia seem's to be all up in everything lately, let them handle it and see how it turns out.

    That area of the world seems to thrive on chaos, what happened to being friendly to your neighbor?
    Truthfully, until our country is back on track, I could care less what happens in another. This is all just a big distraction from the obvious. An Illegal president, 17 trillion in US treasury deby (not to mention the additional 70 trillion in unsecured liabilities, see link below), illegal immigrants being given asylum and granted amnesty, DHS, IRS, USPS, Sheriffs, and local police being militarized. These are just a handful of problems this country is facing right now that need attention before we go to the rescue of a country that could give a **** less about us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mpguy View Post
    I think I'm in the minority, when saying we should keep our nose out of it for now. The country as a whole, is in so much debt, it isn't funny anymore. For once, let another one of our allies deal with policing the world's problems. It's not that i don't care, but with the economy, job's, and debt the way it is, we have no business throwing money away. Russia seem's to be all up in everything lately, let them handle it and see how it turns out.

    That area of the world seems to thrive on chaos, what happened to being friendly to your neighbor?
    I just plain agree. Tired of being the "world police"...They want to kill each other, let them. Like the rats in the ghetto. Waah human rights violation. Why worry about other countries rights violation, when our country is violating ours...
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    Better unsecured debt than secured debt. The other banana republics have shown US what to do with unsecured debt, repudiate and nationalize. We'll just print a new bank note with Obama's image and a space to write in the necessary zeros. Call it the Zerobama.
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    Empire building has never ended well for the empire in question. We are in an insane amount of debt, our military is stretched thin worldwide, and we are provoking an ally of Russia and Iran? The gov is supposedly wanting to intervene on a matter of principle, but there is no net gain for us to get involved. There is simply no reason to. Though politically we are pushing for a strike and if we back down it makes the US look weaker than it already is. And Russia, China, and Iran will think that they can get us to back off. Hindsight is 20-20, but we should have just let them be and not taken a side one way or the other. I am wondering what Russia and Iran will do if we start shooting at Syria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acmariner99 View Post
    I am wondering what Russia and Iran will do if we start shooting at Syria.
    What does your hindsight tell you? It's not as though they haven't postured and whined before.

    Hindsight is of no value if it is not utilized. Only cause and effect is constrained to the arrow of time, logic is not and can look into the past.

    Wasn't there a country song about hindsight, "Don't it make your brown-eye blue?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    What does your hindsight tell you? It's not as though they haven't postured and whined before.

    Hindsight is of no value if it is not utilized. Only cause and effect is constrained to the arrow of time, logic is not and can look into the past.

    Wasn't there a country song about hindsight, "Don't it make your brown-eye blue?"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udEZ_JjNz4E

    I would guess that many have song it .. but Crystal is my favorite ...


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    I for one thing we should keep out ... I cannot believe one word the admin says about chemical weapon use

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpguy View Post
    I think I'm in the minority, when saying we should keep our nose out of it for now. The country as a whole, is in so much debt, it isn't funny anymore. For once, let another one of our allies deal with policing the world's problems. It's not that i don't care, but with the economy, job's, and debt the way it is, we have no business throwing money away. Russia seem's to be all up in everything lately, let them handle it and see how it turns out.

    That area of the world seems to thrive on chaos, what happened to being friendly to your neighbor?
    I agree it is neither our responsibility nor place to meddle in someone else's house, more so considering we don't have our own home in order. We want to intervene because of the abuse of human rights, but we have the New Black Panthers terrorizing citizens right here, black-on-white violence (killings, even) ignored, surveillance and prying into the personal lives of U.S. citizens, branding of liberty-minded individuals as "extremists", and Gestapo-like tactics being used to disarm law-abiding citizens, leaving them vulnerable to violent criminals.


    Not to mention the fact that the morale of the U.S. people is low after the two longest military engagements in U.S. history, and the (rightful mis-) trust of our "leaders" (pedagogues) should make us at least (very highly) doubt the accuracy and truth of any "reports" of chemical weapons use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Young Man View Post
    ... "leaders" (pedagogues)...
    From the mouths of babes, or a young Rusty SLimbaugh wannabe.
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