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Don't know if this is a righteous shoot, yet...

BriKuz

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Shooting in South Phoenix

Dead guy rammed shooter's vehicle. Ramee got out as rammer comfronted him, shot rammer in the head. We'll see how this plays out, especially considering the shooter's GF (in the car as well) was the ex of the rammer/shootee...
 

davidmcbeth

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from link:

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Investigators say that Gutierrez is dating Rodriguez's ex-girlfriend. She was in the Honda when the shooting happened. He's facing a first degree murder charge.

The investigation is ongoing.



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See when our little head thinks for our big head...what happens? 1st degree murder charge (or bullet to head).
 

eye95

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Shooting in South Phoenix

Dead guy rammed shooter's vehicle. Ramee got out as rammer comfronted him, shot rammer in the head. We'll see how this plays out, especially considering the shooter's GF (in the car as well) was the ex of the rammer/shootee...

The story at the link indicates that it was a passenger in the ramming vehicle who was shot to death. Also, the article says that there was an argument.

It sounds to me as if the shooting was not in self-defense, but as an escalation of a dispute.

I got my money on murder or manslaughter.
 

skidmark

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No information on the events that transpired between shooter and shooteee after the ramming, let alone why the ramming took place in the first place (such as did the shootee encourage the rammer to ram?).

The ibclusion of the event taking place "near" a grocery store injects editorialization into the story. Why not extend the distance a bit and comment on the "nearby" old folks' home, or the dog park, or the ....

stay safe.
 

HPmatt

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Why not extend the distance a bit and comment on the "nearby" old folks' home, or the dog park, or the ....

or the - ...'within sight on a very clear day of 8 miles to a 'gun free' elementary school just like the one in CT where an AR15 (rumored to have been developed by Nazis) was used.....'
 

ptrdsmn

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I like the picture of the victim dressed up like a wannabe gangster. I'm the 21 year old already has a criminal record as well as the shooter. No tears here.
 
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