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    Stopped at fibre credit union in longview to make a loan payment today. I was oc and wish I had flyers. Far more intetest in my springfield than usual. Perhaps its because I haven't shaved for a few due to the approaching elk season.
    Got the "you're a cop"....no
    "You're undercover".....really
    "Why"
    Well why not? It is my right. It is legal. I feel it is a good idea. Both of the credit unions I go to have been robbed as well as the minute mart I stop in frequently. Friendly conversation I really thought nothing of it.

    When I got home the phone was ringing. The branch manager was calling to inform me that it is illegal to carry in financial institutions. I politely informed her that there exists no such law and asked if the credit union had a policy against firearms. She ignored my question and insisted it was against the law and that she would "appreciate"my "help."

    I didn't call the main branch but opted for a letter to the board


    Dear boardmembers

    My name is Ryan xxxxxxx and I have been a member for a number of years. I was very taken back today after receiving a call from the branch manager at 32nd complaining about me carrying my sidearm.
    I stopped in the branch and made a loan payment today with a pistol holstered on my waist. I exchanged pleasant conversation with another member about our states policy on the right to openly carry firearms.
    I went about my business, made my payment and left without incident.
    It was my understanding that the policy of this credit union was to follow our state law with reguard to the carrying of firearms. If this is not the case could you please provide me with the current policy?
    The manager at the 32nd avenue branch was incorrect in her belief that firearms are prohibited in financial institutions. Banks and credit unions are federally insured not federal property and do not fall under any section of R.C.W. areas prohibited from the carrying of firearms.
    If I have violated a credit union policy you have my apologies. If no such policy exists I would appreciate the manager be informed at the branch on 32nd where I have openly carried my sidearm while banking for years.
    Sincerely
    Ryan xxxxxx

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    She is definitely full of it, like the employee at a gift shop who told me carrying at all in Ocean Shores is in violation of OS ordinances. I posted on their FB page about the incident, and the owner quickly corrected the employees. Managers think that since they are the "authority" figure that they can spout whatever comes to their holophobic little minds to suit their needs. Most people will except their rubbish, and leave it there.

    We as a group need to keep on top of these situations as you have, and not let it slide. The important thing is to be very professional in our responses, so they have no misconception that "we" are not the knuckle dragging baby killers the media sometimes portrays us.
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    when asked "are you a cop?" simply do not answer ... they will assume you are ... people fill in blanks on their own

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    One thing certain. If there wasn't a policy against OC, there will be one soon.

    Rest assured.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    when asked "are you a cop?" simply do not answer ... they will assume you are ... people fill in blanks on their own

    I used to respond with "I can be almost anything you want me to be" That usually made them think until I was done and gone.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

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    I like the "Is there a situation that needs responding to?" reply. Doesn't commit you to an answer--you're being coy/clever rather than dishonest, PLUS very importantly completely throws out the questioner's probable original assumption and focusses them on a completely different aspect.

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    Re: credit union calls my home after oc

    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    when asked "are you a cop?" simply do not answer ... they will assume you are ... people fill in blanks on their own
    I always answer in a concerned voice "Why are you a wanted fugitave??? !!!" That always gets them thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    when asked "are you a cop?" simply do not answer ... they will assume you are ... people fill in blanks on their own
    "...cuz you have to tell me if you are. It's like the law or something."
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    I used to respond with "I can be almost anything you want me to be" That usually made them think until I was done and gone.
    When asked "are you police", depending on my mood , I say "Well, I really shouldn't talk about my job, but since you asked, under state law and the state constitution, I'm required to carry a firearm.".....same effect...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jt59 View Post
    When asked "are you police", depending on my mood , I say "Well, I really shouldn't talk about my job, but since you asked, under state law and the state constitution, I'm required to carry a firearm.".....same effect...
    I'd be careful with statements that some idiot is going to repeat as "he said he was a cop or something." Remember the human capacity for stupidity is just as vast as all our other capabilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 509rifas View Post
    I'd be careful with statements that some idiot is going to repeat as "he said he was a cop or something." Remember the human capacity for stupidity is just as vast as all our other capabilities.
    In WA state, it is not illegal to

    1) say you are a cop
    2) dress in a uniform like a cop


    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9A.60.045
    Our statute says you must

    1) claim to be a police officer or create that impression

    AND

    2) does an act with intent to convey the impression that he or she is acting in an official capacity and a reasonable person would believe the person is a law enforcement officer

    The question becomes "what is an ACT"? In this statute. Based on what I have gleaned from case law, prosecutors and cops, it means some action like pat frisking somebody, demanding to see their license, making a vehicle stop with blue lights etc (which is several other charges as well), yelling "halt police" to somebody

    Pretty common sense stuff. So, merely looking like a cop, dressing like one, and claiming to be one is legal in WA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PALO View Post
    Pretty common sense stuff. So, merely looking like a cop, dressing like one, and claiming to be one is legal in WA.
    Tapdancing just short of the line but legal, yes. Won't save you from an ignorant cop arresting you, but not illegal. Heh.

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    Him: "Are you a cop?"

    Me: "Why? Is there a problem?"

    Him: "No"

    Me: "Good"

    OR

    Him: "Yes"

    Me: "Then we better call 911"
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    I would never sink to that level.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    credit union calls my home after oc

    Elkjunkie, the Fibre branch in Woodland pulled the same thing on me a few months back after their rent a cop said I was scaring the other customers. Funny thing is that none of the other customers even noticed I was OC until he mentioned it. After I put my firearm in my car per their request they tried telling me the same BS that it is illegal to carry a gun in a financial institution. I asked them to show me the law and they couldn't. Anyway not long after I closed my accounts there and took my business to Red Canoe CU. They are OC friendly and I have never had a problem at multiple locations. Have actually had a good pro 2A conversation with one if the tellers at the branch in Kelso.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jt59 View Post
    When asked "are you police", depending on my mood , I say "Well, I really shouldn't talk about my job, but since you asked, under state law and the state constitution, I'm required to carry a firearm.".....same effect...
    Why wouldn't you prefer to unambiguously eliminate any notion they might have that you're a cop? One thing I like about OC is the opportunity to show the average citizenry being armed. It quite destroys that to "allow" someone to believe you're a cop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PALO View Post
    In WA state, it is not illegal to

    1) say you are a cop
    2) dress in a uniform like a cop


    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9A.60.045
    Our statute says you must

    1) claim to be a police officer or create that impression

    AND

    2) does an act with intent to convey the impression that he or she is acting in an official capacity and a reasonable person would believe the person is a law enforcement officer

    The question becomes "what is an ACT"? In this statute. Based on what I have gleaned from case law, prosecutors and cops, it means some action like pat frisking somebody, demanding to see their license, making a vehicle stop with blue lights etc (which is several other charges as well), yelling "halt police" to somebody

    Pretty common sense stuff. So, merely looking like a cop, dressing like one, and claiming to be one is legal in WA.
    That will be a relief to all those strippers out there that wear cop outfits at the start of their show......

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    Why wouldn't you prefer to unambiguously eliminate any notion they might have that you're a cop? One thing I like about OC is the opportunity to show the average citizenry being armed. It quite destroys that to "allow" someone to believe you're a cop.
    I agree with marshal on this one, this is a good opportunity to have a teaching moment.

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    I was asked the very same thing at the Global credit union at Shadle.

    I think it was last Friday. The place was packed, and someone tapped me on the shoulder. When I turned, they popped the question.
    I said "No, I'm an engineer!" The feller then said "Good", and went about his business.

    Then some other feller in line piped up and asked "Isn't it illegal to carry in a bank?"
    I replied that it's up to the owners of the bank, same as any private property.

    Walking about Spokane armed I've been thanked several times for open carrying, can you believe it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    when asked "are you a cop?"
    Quote Originally Posted by kparker View Post
    I like the "Is there a situation that needs responding to?" reply...
    Are you a policeman??
    Is there trouble??
    No.
    Then we are good...........and walk away
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    Quote Originally Posted by PALO View Post
    The question becomes "what is an ACT"? In this statute.
    What about shouting "STOP RESISTING!" while preemptively beating the living piss out of a person? Would that "convey the impression that he or she is acting in an official capacity"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ()pen(arry View Post
    What about shouting "STOP RESISTING!" while preemptively beating the living piss out of a person? Would that "convey the impression that he or she is acting in an official capacity"?
    Only if accompanied by the sound of a taser being fired incessantly.

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    I'm pretty out of shape right now so the only question I get is "are you security?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR View Post
    Only if accompanied by the sound of a taser being fired incessantly.

    bob
    Oh, no, I would be using a night stick/baton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    Oh, no, I would be using a night stick/baton.
    Baton or Night Stick is so yesterday.

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