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    Is the OC Map Going To Be Updated Now That Mississippi's New Law is in Effect?

    Seems like it should be a gold star state now, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel7723 View Post
    Seems like it should be a gold star state now, no?
    Giving a link to the law and a brief synopsis will help those of us not entirely up to date on this.
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    Grape! There's not enough in this thread?!

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...-Now-in-effect

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    Quote Originally Posted by georg jetson View Post
    Grape! There's not enough in this thread?!

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...-Now-in-effect
    Might surprise you but neither John, Mike, nor I read every post or thread on this forum - that is not likely in less than 25 - 30 hours per day.

    The above thread did provide the court decision which is appreciated - I had not read it prior.

    John will update the maps and status as soon as time permits - he has a very full plate and travels a lot. The request has been made and forwarded - understand that it is a thing of some importance for Mississippians after such a hard fought battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Might surprise you but neither John, Mike, nor I read every post or thread on this forum - that is not likely in less than 25 - 30 hours per day.
    What!!?? I thought you had super moderator powers over time and space!!



    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    The above thread did provide the court decision which is appreciated - I had not read it prior.

    John will update the maps and status as soon as time permits - he has a very full plate and travels a lot. The request has been made and forwarded - understand that it is a thing of some importance for Mississippians after such a hard fought battle.
    Thanks!!!

    Congrats again to the MS folks!!! I didn't have much to do with the change but, considering the state line's close proximity to my residence, I am a benefactor.

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    Why is Mississippi not updated yet?

    Mississippi now no longer requires a license to OC, so it should be yellow and not green....

    thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Might surprise you but neither John, Mike, nor I read every post or thread on this forum - that is not likely in less than 25 - 30 hours per day.

    The above thread did provide the court decision which is appreciated - I had not read it prior.

    John will update the maps and status as soon as time permits - he has a very full plate and travels a lot. The request has been made and forwarded - understand that it is a thing of some importance for Mississippians after such a hard fought battle.
    Thanks! I think we're all just happy to be able to celebrate a victory.

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    Post #4 in the other thread.
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...76#post1979576




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    I sent them an email about changing the map for North Dakota, and someone else started a thread as well. But still no change or response.

    I sent them this.

    Your map for restaurant shows North Dakota in red as banned. This is not correct. If you look at exception "f" at the bottom the restrictions to carry in restaurants that serve alcohol is not in effect if the restaurant allows people under the age of 21 on that side. I don't know how it works everywhere, but many restaurants here have 2 separate sides, a "bar" side and a "restaurant" side. Only people 21 & over may go into the bar side, but anyone can sit on the restaurant side. If you are over 21 you can still order alcohol on the restaurant side, but obviously you can't/shouldn't drink if you are carrying. I hope you can update the map. Thanks!

    http://www.legis.nd.gov/cencode/t62-...20130902045258

    62.1-02-04. Possession of firearm or dangerous weapon in liquor establishment prohibited
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    Penalty Exceptions.

    1. An individual who enters or remains in that part of the establishment that is set aside for the retail sale
    of alcoholic beverages or used as a gaming site at which bingo is the primary gaming activity while in the possession of a firearm or dangerous weapon is guilty of a class A misdemeanor.

    2. This section does not apply to:

    a. A law enforcement officer.
    b. The proprietor.
    c. The proprietor's employee.
    d. A designee of the proprietor when the designee is displaying an unloaded firearm or dangerous weapon as a prize or sale item in a raffle or auction.
    e. Private security personnel while on duty for the purpose of delivering or receiving moneys used at the liquor establishment or at the gaming site at which bingo is the primary gaming activity.
    f. The restaurant part of an establishment if an individual under twenty-one years of age is not prohibited in that part of the establishment.




    I also tend to think the open carry map is a bit misleading too. While you can OC with a permit, you can open carry without a permit, as long as it's during daylight hours and the gun is unloaded. Stupid since if you keep a mag or speed clip in your pocket it will only take a fraction of a second to have it loaded.

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    I think Iowa would more appropriately be labeled a "rural open carry state" (grey) instead of "licensed open carry state" (green) that it currently is.

    since a license is only required for open carry in a city.

    so a good revised map to be placed.... I turned Arkansas and Mississippi gold because their statutes no longer have a charge specifically criminalizing open carry...

    and then I made Iowa alternating gray and green because it's both licensed and rural open carry
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    and I also tweaked the constitutional carry map.... added a few pretty colors...

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    Apparently you need a license to open carry in Mississippi..... at least that's what the map still says despite the law being changed as of two weeks ago and several members volunteering new maps to replace the new one with....
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    It seems they're not really concerned with having it up to date, or maybe it's just states they aren't interested in. I sent them an email about N.D. restaurant carry laws changing, with a link, and saying the OC law color for our state wasn't quite right either. They haven't even responded with anything, not an, OK we're busy, we'll get to it when we get time, or just an F you leave us alone.

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    exactly, it seems to be that some people's victories are more important then others... they wasted no time changing oklahoma, guess the people of Mississippi just aren't good enough for anyone to spend any time updating a map, they don't have the 12 seconds to spare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 11C1P View Post
    It seems they're not really concerned with having it up to date, or maybe it's just states they aren't interested in. I sent them an email about N.D. restaurant carry laws changing, with a link, and saying the OC law color for our state wasn't quite right either. They haven't even responded with anything, not an, OK we're busy, we'll get to it when we get time, or just an * *** leave us alone.
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    exactly, it seems to be that some people's victories are more important then others... they wasted no time changing oklahoma, guess the people of Mississippi just aren't good enough for anyone to spend any time updating a map, they don't have the 12 seconds to spare.
    Really? That's how you think and how you feel? How unfortunate.
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    Whether or not it is unfortunate that someone feels a certain way is entirely on the person who sees the unfortunateness.

    All I can say is that many are watching how OCDO proceeds in regards to the recent stark changes in MS. I see two possibilities to explain the inexcusable delay in updating the map: There is not enough staff, and the administration does not see this as a problem, therefore the resources to get the job done are not there. Or the staff just don't think that what happened in MS is deserving of their time and attention.

    You may think that it is unfortunate that I feel that way, but it is a reasonable belief and one that is surely similarly held by many.

    My advice? Stop the complaining about this inaction by taking action. Simple.

    That's all I have to say. Moving on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Really? That's how you think and how you feel? How unfortunate.
    ok, so when will the map be updated? in fact several forum members have updated the map and put them on various threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    ok, so when will the map be updated? in fact several forum members have updated the map and put them on various threads.
    Not within my ability, authorized function + can't speak for others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Not within my ability, authorized function + can't speak for others.
    so pass the message along and give some acknowledgement that admin is aware and plans to change it....

    if you have to call government department because they're illegally banning carry, are you just going to stop calling because the secratary says "I can't change that"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    so pass the message along and give some acknowledgement that admin is aware and plans to change it....

    if you have to call government department because they're illegally banning carry, are you just going to stop calling because the secratary says "I can't change that"?
    The degree of interest and concern has been expressed.
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    Should Wisconsin be upgraded to gold star status?

    I am not sure of the criteria for gold star status, but Wisconsin specifically protected open carry in Act 35, by defining that openly carrying a firearm is *not* disorderly conduct.

    Open carry has always been legal in Wisconsin.

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    It is beginning to look like the the answer to the titular question is:

    No.

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    I can understand that they can't keep up with every state as the laws change, nor read through every thread to see what people are saying. I can also understand wanting a link to the change. That's why sent them an email as well as posting in the forum (here) with a link to the change. Now granted I didn't provide them with an updated map, as I don't have the stuff to do that, but I just don't see it being that hard to change colors on a few states. Maybe one of you guys could change the restaurant & OC maps for N.D. (it's the kind of squarey shaped state along the top in the middle )

    I guess one of the reasons it bothers me that it hasn't changed is that makes me wonder how accurate is the map for any of the states, especially since I often post links to those maps for people who have questions about traveling or moving to another state. I really want to be able to know the info is fairly accurate and up to date. While we are a small state, population wise, we are seeing a huge influx of people the last few years cause of the oil boom, and a lot of people like to know this stuff before they move.
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