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    Nation's Capitol D.C. cops under orders to arrest tourists with empty bullet casings

    "Empty shell casings are considered ammunition in Washington, D.C., so they are illegal to possess unless you are a resident and have a gun registration certificate," pens Emily Miller in her investigative book, "Emily Gets Her Gun: ... But Obama Wants to Take Yours."

    The advisory gives the example of a used .45 cartridge in a SUV's cup holder easily seen by a cop who had pulled a District resident over for an unrelated traffic issue. "In order to comply with the law," said the July 2012 police advisory, "the cartridge case should be stored so it is not accessible from the from the passenger compartment and the driver is, in fact violating the law and could be placed under arrest for this action."

    Because the driver had a copy of his District gun license, arrest was not recommended.

    Tourists without that city license, however, don't get the same treatment, said Miller.
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    Empty shell casings are considered ammunition in Washington, D.C., so they are illegal to possess unless you are a resident and have a gun registration certificate
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustaShooter View Post
    To mis-quote Babbage, I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a conclusion.
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    "Considered"? By whom? With what statutory or precedential support?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    "Considered"? By whom? With what statutory or precedential support?
    Richard III's murder of his nephews, one of whom was the heir apparent.

    Henry VIII's violation of coronation oath in persecuting the catholic church.

    Treason trial of Thomas More for refusing an oath to the Act of Succession.

    Arrest and imprisonment of Edward Bushell.

    Alien and Sedition Acts.

    Abraham Lincoln ordering the suspension of habeas corpus and the arrest of Chief Justice Taney.

    Those are just some high points from memory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Abraham Lincoln ordering the suspension of habeas corpus...

    Are all the laws, but one, to go unexecuted, and the government itself go to pieces, lest that one be violated?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Richard III's murder of his nephews, one of whom was the heir apparent.

    Henry VIII's violation of coronation oath in persecuting the catholic church.

    Treason trial of Thomas More for refusing an oath to the Act of Succession.

    Arrest and imprisonment of Edward Bushell.

    Alien and Sedition Acts.

    Abraham Lincoln ordering the suspension of habeas corpus and the arrest of Chief Justice Taney.

    Those are just some high points from memory.

    Those who wish to follow in the steps of the oppressor should be warned. Richard the III was killed in battle. A recent look at his skeleton revealed something nasty. He was hunchbacked and filled up with worms at his death (EEEWWWW!). Henry the VIII had horrible sores on his legs and suffered with near constant pain from several ailments they started about the time he threw off his wife Catherine and continued to his death. I am not familiar with Bushell. Mr. Lincoln had many troubles in office and was murdered.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MamabearCali View Post
    ...Richard the III was killed in battle. A recent look at his skeleton revealed something nasty. He was hunchbacked and filled up with worms at his death (EEEWWWW!)...
    Which we have known since "Now is the winter of our discontent | Made glorious summer by this sun of York; And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house | In the deep bosom of the ocean buried." was written in 1592, about a hundred years after his death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    "Considered"? By whom? With what statutory or precedential support?
    6-2302 (2) is the definition of ammo, and yes an empty cartridge is considered ammo in DC.
    6-2302 (10) is the definition of machine gun. Under DC law, my M&P 40 with the standard 15 round mag is a "machine gun"

    Link to DC gun laws: http://www.vpc.org/graphics/DC.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lasjayhawk View Post
    6-2302 (2) is the definition of ammo, and yes an empty cartridge is considered ammo in DC.
    6-2302 (10) is the definition of machine gun. Under DC law, my M&P 40 with the standard 15 round mag is a "machine gun"

    Link to DC gun laws: http://www.vpc.org/graphics/DC.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lasjayhawk View Post
    6-2302 (2) is the definition of ammo, and yes an empty cartridge is considered ammo in DC.
    6-2302 (10) is the definition of machine gun. Under DC law, my M&P 40 with the standard 15 round mag is a "machine gun"

    Link to DC gun laws: http://www.vpc.org/graphics/DC.pdf
    Yes and it is also known in D.C. that a crack addict is known as a "mayor", even re-elected after a conviction for cocaine.

    D.C is also known for corruption and dis-honesty. Why do you think they want to take our guns? They know they will be the first to face the guillotin when the next revolution hits. Can anyone say Marie Antoinette.

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    Looking at the gun laws in DC, I think more than the mayor does crack!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lasjayhawk View Post
    Thanks for the link URL to the copy of the D.C. Firearms Control Statute.

    I have exhausted my patience trying to get through the LexisNexis paywall to the statutes. Might an FOIA remove them to the public eye?
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    Note it could be dated, but its the best I could find on the net.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Thanks for the link URL to the copy of the D.C. Firearms Control Statute.

    I have exhausted my patience trying to get through the LexisNexis paywall to the statutes. Might an FOIA remove them to the public eye?
    Maybe so, but as you know, lexisnexis is a private company. You wont get that for free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by georg jetson View Post
    Maybe so, but as you know, lexisnexis is a private company. You wont get that for free.
    Where is the justice in the toothless tyrants of DC putting the people's law behind a paywall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Where is the justice in the toothless tyrants of DC putting the people's law behind a paywall?

    Like Humpty Dumpty said, "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."
    I understand what you're saying. The law is made public in its original form at various places, just not on the net. I agree it should be but it wont be by foia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by georg jetson View Post
    I understand what you're saying. The law is made public in its original form at various places, just not on the net. I agree it should be but it wont be by foia.
    This is good....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocWalker View Post
    Yes and it is also known in D.C. that a crack addict is known as a "mayor", even re-elected after a conviction for cocaine.

    D.C is also known for corruption and dis-honesty. Why do you think they want to take our guns? They know they will be the first to face the guillotin when the next revolution hits. Can anyone say Marie Antoinette.
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    Angry DC Police...

    They have sunk to a new low...

    From http://washingtonexaminer.com/warnin...rticle/2535216

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    Washington police are operating under orders to arrest tourists and other non-residents traveling with spent bullet or shotgun casings, a crime that carries a $1,000 fine, a year in jail and a criminal record, according to a new book about the city's confusing gun laws.

    "Empty shell casings are considered ammunition in Washington, D.C., so they are illegal to possess unless you are a resident and have a gun registration certificate," pens Emily Miller in her investigative book, "Emily Gets Her Gun: ... But Obama Wants to Take Yours."

    Under the law, live or empty brass and plastic casings must be carried in a special container and unavailable to drivers. Having one, for example, in a cup holder or ash tray is illegal.

    She told Secrets that the police are "under orders to arrest tourists or other legal gun owners from out of state who wouldn't think to empty brass and plastic from their cars or pockets."

    In her newly debuted book about the difficulty getting a gun in Washington, known for tough anti-gun laws, D.C. Police provided Miller with a copy of a recent "roll call" advisory that tells cops to overlook spent casings in the cars and trucks of city residents who have their gun registration certificate with them when detained, despite the law.

    The advisory gives the example of a used .45 cartridge in a SUV's cup holder easily seen by a cop who had pulled a District resident over for an unrelated traffic issue. "In order to comply with the law," said the July 2012 police advisory, "the cartridge case should be stored so it is not accessible from the from the passenger compartment and the driver is, in fact violating the law and could be placed under arrest for this action."

    Because the driver had a copy of his District gun license, arrest was not recommended.

    Tourists without that city license, however, don't get the same treatment, said Miller.

    She highlights the case of Army Specialist Adam Meckler who in 2011 was arrested for coming into the city from Virginia for a meeting at the Department of Veterans' Affairs while accidentally carrying a handful of bullets — but no gun — in his backpack. As he passed through a magnetometer, a guard yelled "Cuff him!" and he was held for hours, not knowing his crime.

    "People looked at me like I was a terrorist," he said, calling the incident an accident. He was prosecuted and almost lost a job because he now has a criminal record and is on the city's gun offenders list. "I felt like I was registering as a sex offender," he told Miller who noted that NBC Meet the Press host David Gregory went "scot-free" for brandishing an illegal 30-round magazine while interviewing NRA's Wayne LaPierre in the network's D.C. studios last December.

    Miller, a Washington Times editor, called the D.C. law stupid. "A brass candlestick can do more harm than an empty brass casing. I often have empty casings in my bags and clothes from when they fly off at the range, or as souvenirs," she wrote.

    The law covering the transport of guns, ammo, and used ammo casings was enacted in 2009 after the Supreme Court overturned the District's 30-year gun ban in 2008.
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    I was wondering what DC stood for but not anymore !

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    "is now considered"

    Who gives a flying **** if your an idiot and consider things what they are not? The sad part is that, as absolutely stupid as this is, even if you corrected it they'd still have a law that prohibits the possession of actual ammunition. The stupidity has grown to be many layers deep.
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