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    Petersburg Police: Cash for Guns!!

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    Petersburg Police to offer cash for guns
    Petersburg Police are working to get dangerous weapons off the streets. They are even offering cash--no questions asked.

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    People turning in weapons will receive a $60 gift card for handguns, shotguns and rifles. Those with assault weapons, as classified by the State of Virginia, will receive a $100 gift card, while supplies of gift cards last. All firearms should be transported in the vehicle's trunk and must be unloaded.

    "The whole point is to not have something where people will be penalized for bringing their weapons to police," said Esther Hyatt with Petersburg Police. "They will actually be rewarded. We are attempting to help people get rid of guns for whatever reason."
    Wow, a great way to dispose of your crime guns.

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    Couldn't they at least organize a "buy-back" so that we could get in on the action?

    Jerks.

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    I'd love to see the budget authorization for one of these disarmament events.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    Re: Petersburg Police: Cash for Guns!!

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    Petersburg Police to offer cash for guns


    Wow, a great way to dispose of your crime guns.
    Or your JUNK guns. Last one of these in phoenix many took advantage & took old parts guns, got the cards, sold the cards for cash & used cash to buy better firearms. Karma - love it.
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    Karma indeed....

    I think my favorite story on one of these was a group (in Ohio, I think) that used the gift cards to buy rifles and ammo for youth shooting clubs.
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    Good working guns not likely to be destroyed anymore

    Disposition of firearms. Provides that no locality may participate in any program in which individuals are given a thing of value in exchange for surrendering a firearm to the locality unless the governing body of the locality has enacted an ordinance authorizing the participation of the locality. The ordinance shall require that such firearms shall be offered for sale by public auction or sealed bids to a person licensed as a dealer before otherwise disposing of, which may include destruction or sale to a dealer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wolfhound View Post
    I think my favorite story on one of these was a group (in Ohio, I think) that used the gift cards to buy rifles and ammo for youth shooting clubs.
    That was heartwarming.

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    Sad folks, "we" as a group are slipping. I just saw the story this morning, TWO major problems, nobody's said anything!

    First the little problem, "All firearms should be transported in the vehicle's trunk and must be unloaded."

    Localities are not allowed to dictate how firearms are transported. 15.2-915.

    Second the BIG problem.

    § 15.2-915.5. Disposition of firearms acquired by localities.

    I could find no ordinance in the Petersburg Municode authorizing a buy-back program.

    If this goes on as scheduled, Petersburg will be in violation of State Law.

    Someone in Petersburg needs to pick up the phone and give someone a call!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Sad folks, "we" as a group are slipping. I just saw the story this morning, TWO major problems, nobody's said anything!

    First the little problem, "All firearms should be transported in the vehicle's trunk and must be unloaded."

    Localities are not allowed to dictate how firearms are transported. 15.2-915.

    Second the BIG problem.

    § 15.2-915.5. Disposition of firearms acquired by localities.

    I could find no ordinance in the Petersburg Municode authorizing a buy-back program.

    If this goes on as scheduled, Petersburg will be in violation of State Law.

    Someone in Petersburg needs to pick up the phone and give someone a call!

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    Congratulations - A "twofer"
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    Maybe you should just be honest and call 911 and say there's a bunch of thug-looking fellows illegally buying a bunch of guns and you're afraid of what they might do with them all.

    As to Citizen's comment, on the same note of the funding for this, isn't it kind of ironic that in reality they're "purchasing" these people's firearms with money that was (forcefully) taken from those same people? How different is that from them just (forcefully) taking the firearms to begin with? What if someone needed that extra $60 to put food on the table? Could the taxation refunded in exchange for surrender of firearms then be considered a coercive means of seizing the firearms? Yeah, it's a stretch, I'm just thinking out loud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Sad folks, "we" as a group are slipping. I just saw the story this morning, TWO major problems, nobody's said anything!

    First the little problem, "All firearms should be transported in the vehicle's trunk and must be unloaded."

    Localities are not allowed to dictate how firearms are transported. 15.2-915.

    Second the BIG problem.

    § 15.2-915.5. Disposition of firearms acquired by localities.

    I could find no ordinance in the Petersburg Municode authorizing a buy-back program.

    If this goes on as scheduled, Petersburg will be in violation of State Law.

    Someone in Petersburg needs to pick up the phone and give someone a call!

    TFred
    Tried to find the Petersburg City Attorney's contact information - came up blank

    Point is to ask him under what legal authority the "buy back" is being conducted in light of § 15.2-915.5.

    I'm running out of time - maybe someone local can pick up the slack.
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    Re: Petersburg Police: Cash for Guns!!

    I had no luck contacting the city attorney with my clerk business, but the city manager was quick to forward things on to him. I'll send some emails tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator View Post
    Maybe you should just be honest and call 911 and say there's a bunch of thug-looking fellows illegally buying a bunch of guns and you're afraid of what they might do with them all.

    As to Citizen's comment, on the same note of the funding for this, isn't it kind of ironic that in reality they're "purchasing" these people's firearms with money that was (forcefully) taken from those same people? How different is that from them just (forcefully) taking the firearms to begin with? What if someone needed that extra $60 to put food on the table? Could the taxation refunded in exchange for surrender of firearms then be considered a coercive means of seizing the firearms? Yeah, it's a stretch, I'm just thinking out loud.
    Whoa! That's a great point!
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    Anyone who makes contact with Petersburg be prepared for "We aren't running the buy-back, "Mothers Against Violent Crime" is.

    Not sure what role can be allowed by a Police Department in a private event - I would call such "mislabeling" an exercise in bovine scatology, borrowing from Norman Schwarzkopf... but the next question would be, is MAVC a licensed FFL? Aren't there strict limits on how many guns one may purchase without becoming a licensed dealer?

    What's to keep VCDL from showing up, outbidding the sellers by $10 a pop and auctioning the guns to a FFL for a fund-raiser?

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    Wait a minute

    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Anyone who makes contact with Petersburg be prepared for "We aren't running the buy-back, "Mothers Against Violent Crime" is.

    Not sure what role can be allowed by a Police Department in a private event - I would call such "mislabeling" an exercise in bovine scatology, borrowing from Norman Schwarzkopf... but the next question would be, is MAVC a licensed FFL? Aren't there strict limits on how many guns one may purchase without becoming a licensed dealer?

    What's to keep VCDL from showing up, outbidding the sellers by $10 a pop and auctioning the guns to a FFL for a fund-raiser?

    TFred
    "No questions asked"???? What about the background checks these anti-gun people are always screaming about????

    Are they running one of those evil gun shows ???????

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Anyone who makes contact with Petersburg be prepared for "We aren't running the buy-back, "Mothers Against Violent Crime" is.

    Not sure what role can be allowed by a Police Department in a private event - I would call such "mislabeling" an exercise in bovine scatology, borrowing from Norman Schwarzkopf... but the next question would be, is MAVC a licensed FFL? Aren't there strict limits on how many guns one may purchase without becoming a licensed dealer?
    If MAVC is conducting the buy-back, and is NOT a licensed FFL, then perhaps someone should make a call to the ATF...

    Edit: I see that there are two locations: Tabernacle Baptist Church, located at 418 Halifax St., and Monumental Baptist Church, located at 2925 S. Crater Road. Sponsors are listed as Mothers Against Violent Crime, Fraternal Order of Eagles, Brenco Inc., Tabernacle Baptist Church and, Monumental Baptist Church and the Petersburg Bureau of Police.

    If this isn't a police buyback, I'm betting none of those other groups are FFLs either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riana View Post
    If MAVC is conducting the buy-back, and is NOT a licensed FFL, then perhaps someone should make a call to the ATF...

    Edit: I see that there are two locations: Tabernacle Baptist Church, located at 418 Halifax St., and Monumental Baptist Church, located at 2925 S. Crater Road. Sponsors are listed as Mothers Against Violent Crime, Fraternal Order of Eagles, Brenco Inc., Tabernacle Baptist Church and, Monumental Baptist Church and the Petersburg Bureau of Police.

    If this isn't a police buyback, I'm betting none of those other groups are FFLs either.
    That could make for some interesting headlines.
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    Related, from a VCDL Alert. This one is going to be fun to watch....


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    2. Petersburg doing a gun-buy up - but it may not be legal
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    Petersburg is planning a "gun buy-up" on Saturday, September 14th. But there appears to be a problem and I am going to be all over it: the event may not be legal!

    Virginia law 15.2-915.5 requires that a locality have an ordinance on the books authorizing such an event. We can't find one for Petersburg. I will be talking to the City Attorney on Monday. Also, they CANNOT just destroy guns that are bought up, they must try to sell those guns BY LAW. I'll bet that will be a surprise to them, too.

    More on this issue later in the week.

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    If this is all being done by a private group or groups, that might let the town of Petersburg off the hook in regard to § 15.2-915.5. The Petersburg police ought to think twice about openly and knowningly providing a venue for the conduct of illegal gun transactions. I find it rather ironic that gun grabbers would try to use private sales to skirt the background check. A private sale doesn't need a background check, but handgun sales can only be made among residents of the same state. They've got to at least ask that question.

    If the firearm is stolen, these gun grabbers might have a problem becoming involved in the receipt or sale of stolen property. I would think they would need to ask if the seller is the lawful owner of the firearm.

    If somebody shows up with a class 3 item, like an illegal short barreled rifle or shotgun, or a firearm with the serial number filed off, all of which would be quite feasible, that should be a really big problem for the BATFE as well.

    Police and BATFE shouldn't turn a blind eye to any of this. Having said all of that, I'll take a wild guess and predict that the BATFE will happily let all this take place, particularly if the end result is the destruction of the firearms collected. This administration has shown no hesitation or reluctance to ignore the law when it suits their purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markand View Post
    If this is all being done by a private group or groups, that might let the town of Petersburg off the hook, although collecting guns at a police station doesn't seem right. I find it rather ironic that gun grabbers would try to use private sales to skirt the background check. A private sale doesn't need a background check, but handgun sales can only be made among residents of the same state. They've got to at least ask that question.
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    This buy back is not taking place at a LEA, but on private property by private individuals that would seem to be in violation of BATFE rules related to FFLs.
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    Perhaps a FOIA request to determine who is funding the gift cards? The article/police spokesperson certainly makes it sound like the police department is, if so then I believe they would still fall under the state law, regardless of who is organizing it.

    "The whole point is to not have something where people will be penalized for bringing their weapons to police," said Esther Hyatt with Petersburg Police. "They will actually be rewarded. We are attempting to help people get rid of guns for whatever reason."

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    Sent an email to the City Manager since the city's website doesn't show an email address for the Police Chief. Just asked what the departments role in the buy back is. Maybe he will answer without having to do a FOIA request, save some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    This buy back is not taking place at a LEA, but on private property by private individuals that would seem to be in violation of BATFE rules related to FFLs.
    Ok, and which rule would that be? Provided they meet the caveats outlined by Markand (state of residency for handguns, no class 3 items, legible serial number) it shouldn't be illegal.

    Private sales, private individuals, on private property within the state of VA and both parties are residents of VA. I don't see where that is against the law/rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jegoodin View Post
    Ok, and which rule would that be? Provided they meet the caveats outlined by Markand (state of residency for handguns, no class 3 items, legible serial number) it shouldn't be illegal.

    Private sales, private individuals, on private property within the state of VA and both parties are residents of VA. I don't see where that is against the law/rules.
    First and foremost, these are not private individuals operating independently of each other. They are a cohesive group offering to buy a quantity of guns as a primary business at a fixed location. I realize this may stretch the definitions of when one is required to have an FFL, but it is not one I would want to test.

    How do you think it would fly if 50 of us got together once a month to buy and sell guns to the general public from a fixed location?
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    Just sent an FOIA for all documentation relating to the hosting and relationship between the Petersburg Police, City and any other parties involved.

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