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    Man pays gov indoctrination fee of $7,000 in $1's

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPRGb...PRE&nomobile=1

    I think his protest is funny. No one owns their property in the "land of the free". You rent it from the government. Have to pay for those awesome gunvernment (sic) skools/daycare centers.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    I've done this ... but with the exact amount in a brown paper bag and I just hand it them ...

    Took about 2 hrs for them to count it and give my fully paid receipt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I've done this ... but with the exact amount in a brown paper bag and I just hand it them ...

    Took about 2 hrs for them to count it and give my fully paid receipt.
    But at least in Connecticut they have such great security for their grade skools. Oh, wait.....
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    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Great video, thanks for posting. This specific issue actually hits home hard (or at least, it should!) where I'm from. I don't pay property taxes directly but I think I am going to do this any opportunity I get.

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    Man pays gov indoctrination fee of $7,000 in $1's

    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
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    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=InaRIYF...%3DInaRIYFPMiY


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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    But at least in Connecticut they have such great security for their grade skools. Oh, wait.....
    And they replaced the easy-to-breech-door with the SAME DESIGN. So how concerned are they about security?

    They aren't. lalalalalala

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=InaRIYF...%3DInaRIYFPMiY


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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J83SXVjL9M8

    this is for you ... and no, I did not video tape the payment ... and I plan on doing it in a few months .. you are welcome to help carry the cash ...

    Last time, it was a tax increase protest....this time, for 2nd amendment issues

    Ya can't pay in coins .... too bad .... 'cause I would have
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J83SXVjL9M8

    this is for you ... and no, I did not video tape the payment ... and I plan on doing it in a few months .. you are welcome to help carry the cash ...

    Last time, it was a tax increase protest....this time, for 2nd amendment issues

    Ya can't pay in coins .... too bad .... 'cause I would have
    Why can't you pay in tokens? Is it not legal tender for all debts both public and private? Their rules, not yours. I know that private parties can make deals contingent on certain payment methods but I thought that government entities had no such option. I mean, it isn't really a business transaction in the first place, so there is no opportunity for such negotiations. Not to mention it's THEIR currency.
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    They have to take it in coin, but no smaller than a quarter dollar. A twenty five cent piece in not a twenty five cent piece, it's a quarter dollar. And don't forget the dollar coins.

    Every state must take payment in dollars or a part thereof. Pennies, nickels and dimes are not a part dollar.

    There was a federal law regulating payment in coin, but that law has been repealed many years ago.

    But, technically speaking states may only take payment in gold and silver.

    Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States
    No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Atta inder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by color of law
    But, technically speaking states may only take payment in gold and silver.

    Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States
    No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Atta inder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
    No, that prohibits states from making their own denominated currency, article 1 section 8 specifically gives congress the authority to coin money and set the value thereof
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    No, that prohibits states from making their own denominated currency, article 1 section 8 specifically gives congress the authority to coin money and set the value thereof
    I did not say that.

    I said:

    ...technically speaking states may only take payment in gold and silver.

    Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States
    No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Atta inder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

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    Didn't really seem that anybody was listening to his speechifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    Didn't really seem that anybody was listening to his speechifying.
    I got the same impression, but I don't recall any footage of the other "customers" so I wouldn't really be sure. I was also wondering if anyone got a doughnut, haha. I would have grabbed a handful, I think. IDC if I have to go on youtube to get my hand in the box.

    But it would have been nice if they captured the reactions of someone other than the "employees", who for the most part just seemed to either avoid the camera or be extremely careful of what they said. The primary tax collector lady seemed to have a hint of agitation in her voice, but I got the impression it was because she felt as though they were trying to trap her into something or make her look like a bad guy (though, she kinda is).

    But, even if no one there listened, I think it was worth doing and recording, because now lots of people can listen on youtube. I personally decided to share the video on social media. I think it's pretty good.

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    Folks who collect taxes on income derived from labor, or on property used as a primary residence (or used as a primary means of conveyance) are bad guys, no matter what cute stories they tell themselves at night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    Folks who collect taxes on income derived from labor, or on property used as a primary residence (or used as a primary means of conveyance) are bad guys, no matter what cute stories they tell themselves at night.
    people who sit and benefit from society in every possible way and instead only begrudge having to pay something for those benefits are bad guys, no matter what cute stories they tell themselves at night.
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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    Quote Originally Posted by color of law View Post
    They have to take it in coin, but no smaller than a quarter dollar. A twenty five cent piece in not a twenty five cent piece, it's a quarter dollar. And don't forget the dollar coins.

    Every state must take payment in dollars or a part thereof. Pennies, nickels and dimes are not a part dollar.

    There was a federal law regulating payment in coin, but that law has been repealed many years ago.

    But, technically speaking states may only take payment in gold and silver.

    Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States
    No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Atta inder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
    Wrong.

    31 USC § 5103 - Legal tender
    United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues. Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts.


    Coins are legal tender the penny restriction is no longer.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    people who sit and benefit from society in every possible way and instead only begrudge having to pay something for those benefits are bad guys, no matter what cute stories they tell themselves at night.
    Ah, so you ARE a socialist.

    You DO support slavery.

    What benefits are you referring to? Who benefits from the money being stolen from your paycheck?
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Wow

    That is more than the tuition from a local community college.

    I would never have gone to the bank with them.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    Ah, so you ARE a socialist.

    You DO support slavery.

    What benefits are you referring to? Who benefits from the money being stolen from your paycheck?
    No and no,
    I reject your bastardized definition of both terms.
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    people who sit and benefit from society in every possible way and instead only begrudge having to pay something for those benefits are bad guys, no matter what cute stories they tell themselves at night.


    You'll make a "great" cop.

    That was a nice little non sequitur, though. You know, I've conceded on many occasions that government must have some income to exist. I've been careful to argue not that all means of revenue generation are immoral. Heck, I've carefully avoided saying all taxes are immoral (though perhaps they are). I've focused my ire quite specifically on taxes on income derived from labor, and property taxes on one's primary house and car. In a country such as ours, where there is a fee or tax on nearly everything, this hardly can be described as "begrudg[ing] having to pay something"; I didn't say a word about all the other sources of revenue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post


    You'll make a "great" cop.

    That was a nice little non sequitur, though. You know, I've conceded on many occasions that government must have some income to exist. I've been careful to argue not that all means of revenue generation are immoral. Heck, I've carefully avoided saying all taxes are immoral (though perhaps they are). I've focused my ire quite specifically on taxes on income derived from labor, and property taxes on one's primary house and car. In a country such as ours, where there is a fee or tax on nearly everything, this hardly can be described as "begrudg[ing] have to pay something"; I didn't say a word about all the other sources of revenue.
    I, for one, caught that. So I can only agree with you.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    No and no,
    I reject your bastardized definition of both terms.
    What benefits do you receive by having your earnings stolen from you?
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    Folks who collect taxes on income derived from labor, or on property used as a primary residence (or used as a primary means of conveyance) are bad guys, no matter what cute stories they tell themselves at night.
    +1
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    people who sit and benefit from society in every possible way and instead only begrudge having to pay something for those benefits are bad guys, no matter what cute stories they tell themselves at night.
    First Eric, read and comprehend better.

    Second society simply means the people, no one has said no one benefits from "society" and other people, hell I work for other people they pay me for my services, they get nice houses from me they enjoy my services.

    All tax is theft some theft I can live with if they deal with it fairly like paying a tax on gas for roads.

    Having my wages stolen to pay for so people can "sit and benefit from society (or other people) is immoral. I paid taxes when I bought my property I paid taxes on every single item it took to build my house to tax me yearly and to take my property because I am lacking work or can't afford the taxes others decide to steal from me is immoral.

    You wouldn't go steal from your neighbor if he had more than you and you wanted something, it is just as immoral to get together with others and vote to steal his property.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
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    Property taxes are not contingent upon ones ability to pay, nor is it a indicator of income. Income taxes denote income. Sales taxes denote income.

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