Man pays gov indoctrination fee of $7,000 in $1's

marshaul said:

You'll make a "great" cop.

That was a nice little non sequitur, though. You know, I've conceded on many occasions that government must have some income to exist. I've been careful to argue not that all means of revenue generation are immoral. Heck, I've carefully avoided saying all taxes are immoral (though perhaps they are). I've focused my ire quite specifically on taxes on income derived from labor, and property taxes on one's primary house and car. In a country such as ours, where there is a fee or tax on nearly everything, this hardly can be described as "begrudg[ing] have to pay something"; I didn't say a word about all the other sources of revenue.

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EMNofSeattle said:

No and no,
I reject your bastardized definition of both terms.

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marshaul said:

Folks who collect taxes on income derived from labor, or on property used as a primary residence (or used as a primary means of conveyance) are bad guys, no matter what cute stories they tell themselves at night.

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EMNofSeattle said:

people who sit and benefit from society in every possible way and instead only begrudge having to pay something for those benefits are bad guys, no matter what cute stories they tell themselves at night.

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davidmcbeth said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J83SXVjL9M8

this is for you ... and no, I did not video tape the payment ... and I plan on doing it in a few months .. you are welcome to help carry the cash ...

Last time, it was a tax increase protest....this time, for 2nd amendment issues

Ya can't pay in coins .... too bad .... 'cause I would have

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United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues. Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts.

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§ 3-603. TENDER OF PAYMENT.

(a) If tender of payment of an obligation to pay an instrument is made to a person entitled to enforce the instrument, the effect of tender is governed by principles of law applicable to tender of payment under a simple contract.


(b) If tender of payment of an obligation to pay an instrument is made to a person entitled to enforce the instrument and the tender is refused, there is discharge, to the extent of the amount of the tender, of the obligation of an indorser or accommodation party having a right of recourse with respect to the obligation to which the tender relates.


(c) If tender of payment of an amount due on an instrument is made to a person entitled to enforce the instrument, the obligation of the obligor to pay interest after the due date on the amount tendered is discharged. If presentment is required with respect to an instrument and the obligor is able and ready to pay on the due date at every place of payment stated in the instrument, the obligor is deemed to have made tender of payment on the due date to the person entitled to enforce the instrument.

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OC for ME said:

Property taxes are not contingent upon ones ability to pay, nor is it a indicator of income. Income taxes denote income. Sales taxes denote income.

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OC for ME said:

Property taxes are not contingent upon ones ability to pay, nor is it a indicator of income. Income taxes denote income. Sales taxes denote income.

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sudden valley gunner said:

+1 Absolutely correct, when I was injured and the economy collapsed (I work in construction) there was no to very little jobs for me, I made 9000 bucks for for one year, property tax, for a house I built by myself and did most the work for myself for under 100,000 and bought the lot for 3000,....they charged me almost 3000 in property tax......theives!

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marshaul said:

Despicable. Reprehensible.

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sudden valley gunner said:

+1

It doesn't end there 12% tax minimal to federal gov, b&o tax, sales tax of 8.5 to 8.9 percent on everything but food, it costs a minimal of 2000 grand to keep my license at the lower end every year to work, our gas taxes are some of the highest in the country, guess who spent some very cold nights with no heat and had no money to spend time with his kids....yea I F'ing hate the state...in all it's forms. It turned me from a political apathetic person to one who will work to abolish as much of it as I can.

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sudden valley gunner said:

+1

It doesn't end there 12% tax minimal to federal gov, b&o tax, sales tax of 8.5 to 8.9 percent on everything but food, it costs a minimal of 2000 grand to keep my license at the lower end every year to work, our gas taxes are some of the highest in the country, guess who spent some very cold nights with no heat and had no money to spend time with his kids....yea I F'ing hate the state...in all it's forms. It turned me from a political apathetic person to one who will work to abolish as much of it as I can.

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Freedom1Man said:

Sales taxes, read the laws very carefully. Most 'sales taxes' are not a tax on sales at all. Then the fact is that the tax is on the purchases not sales. Some 'sales taxes' are 'use taxes.'

You've likely never paid the income tax.

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The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronaldus Magnus

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The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. ― Margaret Thatcher

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stealthyeliminator said:

I am sorry that you had to go through such a terrible experience, but I'm glad that you've come to know the truth of the matter through that experience.

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OC for ME said:

SVG knew the truth he just did not want to do anything about it until he looked at his bank accounts and the bills coming from the government....thus his use of the phrase "political apathetic person."

His former state of mind is sadly the current state of mind for far too many of our fellow citizens.

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sudden valley gunner said:

Very true. I never liked the two party system or the state of affairs and having my money immorally stolen, but as long as I was paying the bills, feeding my kids, I just figured there was nothing much I could do about it. Government motivated me to do something more.

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OC for ME said:

A sales tax is technically a "transfer" tax. That can be paid by the seller or purchaser. Typically the purchaser pays the tax.

All fees imposed by any government are a tax regardless of their claims to the contrary. A tax on income is used to control the citizenry. States that do not impose a income tax seem to fare better in the arena of attracting businesses. When a business is not required to pay a very high income tax, and the citizens are not required to pay any income tax, that state seems to perform better financially. See Kansas vs. Missouri vs. Illinois, a microcosm of how income taxes and confiscatory sales (transfer) taxes affect a state economy.

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